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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 01:34 PM
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Error code help

So I've had an intermittent CEL for about 2 weeks and I just pulled the codes and the KOER codes left me scratching my head and I'm looking for where to go with it.

Truck is a 97 F250HD with 351/5sp

KOEO results:
13 RPM Unable to reach lower limit self test
33 EGR Valve position sensor Circuit

KOER
17 RPM Below Self test limit, set too low
25 knock sensor not detected during testing
38 Idle track switch circuit open

The truck has 130k on it and I could see possibly the EGR given that it'll sputter once in a great while and the CEL only seems to come on when running the a/c or hvac. Any direction is appreciated! Thanks!
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 01:42 PM
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First thing is you should not have 2 digit codes. All codes should be 3 digit.
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 04:39 PM
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What he said ^^^^^!

How did you get those codes?
We are talking the 1997 F250HD 5.8l 5sp SC LB truck are we not?
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 04:46 PM
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If they are 3-digit codes, I'm guessing the KOER codes were

172 - Oxygen sensor not switching - system is or was lean - Single, Right or Rear HO2S

and

538 - System did not receive "goose" test.

This confused me with my '88... I thought it would be 2-digit codes but they were 3-digit codes. I'm not sure what determines which kind of codes a truck has.

Shouldn't a '97 have obdII though?
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 05:24 PM
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peter_x,

No his truck would be OBD-1.
1998 was the last year for the OBD-1 as they went to the OBD-II in 1999.

As for your truck I think all of the trucks with the E4OD had the 3-digit codes in 1989 and the C6, AOD and standard transmission did not until 1995.

Better check to see if you have the right computer in your truck.

The 4R70W started with 3-digit codes in 1993.
The C6 and standard transmission when to 3-digit codes in 1995.
1993 was the last year for the AOD.
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 05:43 PM
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peter_x,
The C6 and standard transmission when to 3-digit codes in 1995.
So if I have an '88 with a ZF5 and am getting 3-digit codes, someone probably replaced the computer at some point?
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by peter_x
So if I have an '88 with a ZF5 and am getting 3-digit codes, someone probably replaced the computer at some point?
Would say so.
You need to check the drawing number on it.
Its the big number that starts with something like E8 or F3. It would start with a E or an F.
You should be able to see the number without taking it out.
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 06:02 PM
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Yeah truck is obd 1 and its a manual tranny. I used a code reader to get it and the way it pulsed out seemed to be for 2the digit codes. Ill run it again to make sure.
 
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Old Jul 2, 2011 | 06:21 PM
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Ok checked again and they were 3 digit codes. So o2 sensor andnot sure what the second one is.
 
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We need to know the number of each code and if it is KOEO, CM or KOER.
 
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Originally Posted by subford
We need to know the number of each code and if it is KOEO, CM or KOER.
Peterx had it right in his post with 172 and 538.
 
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Well 538 is operator error so we will forget that one.
172 is a CM code and it says that the system indicates lean.
This would be your MIL flashing in the cluster.
Possible causes:

-- Fuel injectors.

-- HO2S.

-- Secondary Air Injection (AIR) system.

-- PCV/Hose.

-- Vacuum.

-- CANP.

-- MAP sensor.

-- Electronic Ignition Coil Failure.
 
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Old Jul 3, 2011 | 06:17 AM
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Cool, thanks. Gives me some place to start at least. One other questions, secondary air injection system...is this the smog pump and thermactor ports?
 
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Yes it is.
One more item that is not in the list abouve is that low fuel pressure will also cause it.
 
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