help please 04 crank no start
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help please 04 crank no start
ok so here is the situation im deployed to afghanistan and came across a 2004 f250 i began piecing it back together and have gotten it to start and run i had it running for about 12 hours then it slowley started running worse and worse found out that the fuel pump was bad changed it out with one from an 06 e350 van and had the truck running finished mounting the pump went to start it again and nothing itll crank the secondary fuel bowl will fill with fuel but the truck will not cough of sputter just cranks and cranks so im looking for some advice here while im cranking i dont get any tach reading i took the cam pos sensor out of the van and still the sam problem i tested the ficm and have 47 volts from the pin closest to the drivers fender while cranking i just need advice on where to go next thank yall very much
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Here's a list of things to check...it's from the Tech Folder" sticky @ the top of the page
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https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...condition.html
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Same problem
Spray some diesel starting fluid in the hose going into the air filter.
ok so here is the situation im deployed to afghanistan and came across a 2004 f250 i began piecing it back together and have gotten it to start and run i had it running for about 12 hours then it slowley started running worse and worse found out that the fuel pump was bad changed it out with one from an 06 e350 van and had the truck running finished mounting the pump went to start it again and nothing itll crank the secondary fuel bowl will fill with fuel but the truck will not cough of sputter just cranks and cranks so im looking for some advice here while im cranking i dont get any tach reading i took the cam pos sensor out of the van and still the sam problem i tested the ficm and have 47 volts from the pin closest to the drivers fender while cranking i just need advice on where to go next thank yall very much
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i didnt try ether but it will not fire on wd40 into the air intake is there anything else also thank you for the guide i will try some of those things later tonight very busy here today no time to work on it
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To the OP: I don't know of any way to pull codes without a code reader so you're in a tough situation there. Are you getting any smoke while cranking? Do you get oil pressure on the dash gauge, not that it means much? If not then pull the oil filter lid and check the filter. See if you get oil flow into the housing while cranking. You'll have to hold down the filter drain "button" inside the filter housing while someone cranks.
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Don't EVER spray ether into a glow plug diesel motor. You can cause SERIOUS piston damage quickly. I've seen it happen too many times and sold too many pistons to back it up.
To the OP: I don't know of any way to pull codes without a code reader so you're in a tough situation there. Are you getting any smoke while cranking? Do you get oil pressure on the dash gauge, not that it means much? If not then pull the oil filter lid and check the filter. See if you get oil flow into the housing while cranking. You'll have to hold down the filter drain "button" inside the filter housing while someone cranks.
To the OP: I don't know of any way to pull codes without a code reader so you're in a tough situation there. Are you getting any smoke while cranking? Do you get oil pressure on the dash gauge, not that it means much? If not then pull the oil filter lid and check the filter. See if you get oil flow into the housing while cranking. You'll have to hold down the filter drain "button" inside the filter housing while someone cranks.
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If you're getting pressure on the oil gauge then the filter housing is filling. No smoke cranking means no fuel. The tach not registering cranking is normal. Just because the FICM has 47 volts doesn't mean it's good but that's all you can do. Check the plugs on the bottom of the FICM to make sure they are all plugged in tight. If you have another FICM from the van then you might try swapping them out.
You need to test the voltage at the ICP sensor and it needs to be .8V while the truck is cranking. An 04 truck can have an 03 or 04 motor depending on production date so the ICP sensor can be under the turbo (03) or on the passenger side valve cover (04). Hopefully it's an 04 motor. The ICP voltage indicates high pressure oil pressure, which needs to be 500 psi minimum to start.
You need to test the voltage at the ICP sensor and it needs to be .8V while the truck is cranking. An 04 truck can have an 03 or 04 motor depending on production date so the ICP sensor can be under the turbo (03) or on the passenger side valve cover (04). Hopefully it's an 04 motor. The ICP voltage indicates high pressure oil pressure, which needs to be 500 psi minimum to start.
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Don't EVER spray ether into a glow plug diesel motor. You can cause SERIOUS piston damage quickly. I've seen it happen too many times and sold too many pistons to back it up.
To the OP: I don't know of any way to pull codes without a code reader so you're in a tough situation there. Are you getting any smoke while cranking? Do you get oil pressure on the dash gauge, not that it means much? If not then pull the oil filter lid and check the filter. See if you get oil flow into the housing while cranking. You'll have to hold down the filter drain "button" inside the filter housing while someone cranks.
To the OP: I don't know of any way to pull codes without a code reader so you're in a tough situation there. Are you getting any smoke while cranking? Do you get oil pressure on the dash gauge, not that it means much? If not then pull the oil filter lid and check the filter. See if you get oil flow into the housing while cranking. You'll have to hold down the filter drain "button" inside the filter housing while someone cranks.
screw the motor.. I have seen what it will do on vapor when just the key is cycled.
it will blow crap up. lmao.
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I am assuming that the 0.82 reference is accurate. Doesn't seem like much, but it seemed to be the issue for him. His issue was indeed a leak in the HP oil system. I had to eat some crow on that thread! Just like someone I respect tremendously - I hate to be wrong!
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My PC/ED manual states 0.80 volts in the Hard Start/No Start checklist, item 10 (it is an early 2006 manual). I believe I saw the 0.82 in a TSB, but I will have to check where it was. I did not document where I found it at the time, as it was late one evening. I don't doubt that it could now be 0.85 (but I haven't seen that value!). Thanks Moe.
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Here is my 0.82 reference (page 4):
http://www.nosun.ca/wingnut/051207.PDF
I have a note in my spreadsheets that there is a Ford reference to 0.84 volts (didn't recall that) - so that pretty closely agrees w/ your memory. I did not write down where that reference was from
... maybe I can find that also!
http://www.nosun.ca/wingnut/051207.PDF
I have a note in my spreadsheets that there is a Ford reference to 0.84 volts (didn't recall that) - so that pretty closely agrees w/ your memory. I did not write down where that reference was from
... maybe I can find that also!