My last post my truck was acting up like I had an FICM issue which I did and it was replaced under warranty at 82-83K roughly. I have 84k on it now I just replaced the front brakes with my 15yr old. I asked him to start her up and pump the brakes to lock everything in. When he went to start her she stumbled then died. Tried it again started right up. I took her to the gas station to fill her up as I was low on fuel. Shut her off filled her up...I will be dammed if the fricken gauge didn't drop below E, received a Low Fuel warning, and now a CEL with a P0460. This will be the 4th sending unit in this truck. What can I possibly be doing to cause this? I am really starting to not trust this truck and regretting I ever bought this . It stumbled again starting it at the gas station too..but this time it didn't die.

Ford tough?????????????????? Really???? 3 units going on 4? Seriously is this the quality we have come to expect? I am sorry to rant but I am soo fricken torqued it's not funny. This truck is over maintenanced if anything, I put the best fluids in it, and I am still getting hammered. I am about ready to go ballastic at the dealer about this. I am sorry to rant but I am PO'd! Wondering what is next......

My edge for what it's worth was showing 7% even though I pumped 29 gallons into her. I am at a loss for words let alone failing to understand how I could cause any of it....

Pit

 

My guess is you are having GROUND issues with the sender, I will bet that those senders WEREN'T bad, the TECHNICIAN is, he hasn't found the root of your problem. Try a different dealer and explain the problem. Or on the other hand perhaps THE FUEL you are using is killing them, I know on my CORVETTE, sulfur deposits in the fuel will kill the sender, it's a well known and common problem.

 

Before you really start damning the truck, I would make sure you find out that the installation was done correctly like F-250 said OR make sure that you aren't doing something and you don't even realize it.

3 sending units going on your 4th, that sounds a lot like the repeat EGR cooler issues and not fixing the root cause and so the cooler kept on failing. Either there is an underlying truck issue that isn't getting fixed, the technician doing the install isn't doing it correctly (which I wouldn't put it past them as I've known technician to put the wrong batteries in these trucks and that should be the simpliest thing of all to do), and/or something that you are doing and just not realizing it and it could be the simpliest thing.

 

I can relate Pit. I'm a Mechanic and we have a fleet of about 15 trucks at my work, most are Chevy Silverados with the Duramax engine. We have 3 Fords with the 6.0 NaviStar and they are catastrophically unreliable and expensive compared to the Chevs. They are a great truck when they work but compared to the Chevs they are a money pit. My service truck didn't even make it to 95,000kms before we had to do the "No Start Warm" repair, plus all the embarrassment of being a mechanic with a truck that doesn't start was awesome.
The 07 has 64,000kms and a fuel gauge problem that could potentially cost $500-$1000 to fix and we just did the "No Start Warm" repair.
The 06 has 120,000kms and we had to replace the alternator and batteries and its on borrowed time for the "No Start Warm" issue.
The Chevs? They tend to wear out the front shock lower bushings rather quickly, but thats it. Shock bushings and services. The Boss's Chev has well over 200,000kms on it with no major repairs, just services, brakes, tires, and shock bushings. Needless to say, the Fords will be rotated out of the fleet and replaced with either Chevs or Dodges. I'm not trying to **** anybody off that likes Fords, like I said, they are great when they work but when it comes down to the money spent on the tools you need to get the job done, especially with a small company, Fords are unreliable and expensive.
They other thing that really pissed off the accounting department is the fact that Ford and NaviStar know about these problems but refuse to fix them and then the Ford dealers are gouging customers by not doing the proper repair or going beyond what needs to be repaired.
Its not only the product thats faulty, it's the attitude of Ford and it's dealers that have failed the customers as well.

Thank you for reading my Rant!!

 

1-2 of anything in that time frame can be a bad part but 3-4 is a bad install/er...

 

Just so you know, this kind of post is against the Forum rules .............

Nothing else to say, except I sure do love my FORD truck ..............

 

Sorry, I guess I should have read the rules. Like I said before, I mean no offense to anybody that loves their Ford, I love my Ford as well, now that I have done the necessary repairs that should have been done by Ford and NaviStar. It has an exceptionally strong frame and the engine has decent torque and horsepower. I'm even impressed of how well the stereo sounds!! My boss and his accountant, on the other hand, do not feel very fondly about the Fords in our fleet when they are looking at the monthly operating costs. To them its a matter of dollars, and when 3 trucks cost more to operate than the other 12 combined, they get concerned.
I should also mention that Ford and NaviStar have decided to spend vast amounts of money on lawsuits to sue each other because of this truck instead of stepping up and repairing these known problems. Again, I apologize if I have violated the forum rules and if the administrators wish me to remove my comments, I will.

 

I'm not here to bash Fords. I think they are a good truck, but i am very unhappy about these common problems that Ford and NaviStar know about and have decided to leave us, the Ford owners, with the bill. It will take you, the Ford enthusiast, to put pressure on these corporations to set things right. Don't be blindly faithful to a company that has hung you out to dry. Make them accountable, put pressure on them to fix it right the first time. Call the service manager at your local dealership and get him/her to pay for these know problems. If they won't do it, call Fords head office and put pressure on them!! Don't let these business jerks ruin an otherwise good product!!

 

I was in a good mood and cleaned up the thread for you guys so you can move on and discuss like adults, the original posters problem. I also cleaned up a little language that offends some users. Gentlemen, I know these comments were written in haste, please try and think about it the next time.


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Ok, as for the original post, if you have replaced the sender 3 times already, I would confidently say that the sender is not the issue. There is a TSB (06-5-10***MIL ON WITH DTC P0460 - 6.0L) for a software update. If that does not fix the problem then you are probably looking at a PCM or Instrument Cluster problem. Which is expensive.

 

I wouldn't put Ford & Navistar in the same boat on this issue in that they both knew of the problems. It started out with Navistar designed the engine for one spec (HP/Torque) but offered it at a higher rating to Ford. Now I agree Ford should have done more to fix the short comings of the design...TTY bolts, oil cooler that acts like a filter with the coolant, low fuel pressure that destroys the injectors to name a few. Heck, I'd be willing to meet Ford half way on some of the improvements (head studs for example) if they would own up to the design flaw. With that said, IF I buy another diesel truck you can beat I'll do as much home work on that one that I did for this one before I purchased. That way I know what I'm getting into. For the record, I'm not saying I'll never buy another Ford vehicle...just the opposite, I understand 'em and have everything I need to work on them. It's the diesel part...the emission requirements get worse the newer you get. I'll stick with my EGR issues; y'all can have the DPF/DEF stuff.Do you really think Ford is going to bow down to a few thousand (at best) fans when they sell hundreds of thousands of these trucks for fleet use every year? Your best beat is through your local dealership..but their hands are tied as far as how much they can do. If you think Ford is the only one with issues...spend some time in the Dodge and/or Chevy/GM forums. They have their issues as well.

 

I have to agree with pretty much everything you said zhilton. NaviStar defiantly has to shoulder most of the blame on this situation. And again, Fords are a good truck, I love my service truck, but a situation at 64,000kms where you have to potentially replace the PCM at $1000 just because the fuel gauge doesn't work is unacceptable to me, completely unacceptable. And I have very serious concerns about my local Ford dealerships (there are two dealerships) competencies. I am not a Ford technician and I do not have the access to information that they do but I feel like I know more than they do, and that scares me.