Starter replacement question for pro's
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Starter replacement question for pro's
Starter just went out on my 2000 7.3 (stock) it was a model F5TU-11000AD. Should I put same back on or replace with a denso starter that offers 30 percent more torque? At the end of it's life it was slow / start or sluggish in cranking engine over. Any suggestions will be appreciated
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From: La La Land
Yours is a Mitsubishi. It has a planetary set inside for the gear reduction. It is (was) a very good starter, and was chosen by Internatioonal for it's ability to do the job in the long haul.
Your best bet is to have it rebuilt by a competent local rebuilder.
The Nippondenso offset gear-reduction units that replaced the Mitsu's aren't necessarily better. Maybe they're just cheaper.
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Your best bet is to have it rebuilt by a competent local rebuilder.
The Nippondenso offset gear-reduction units that replaced the Mitsu's aren't necessarily better. Maybe they're just cheaper.
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From: North of Greenville
Most of the Nippondenso starters on the market today are "Nippondenso-STYLE" Chinese knockoff units, and their reliability is highly variable. The ones from 2-3 years ago seem to have been pretty good, but the recent ones are not seeming to last.
At the same time, there are some TRUE Denso starters available from folks like Nations Auto Electric (and a few others), but they are quite pricey ($375-$450). I got my last starter which is a Mitsubishi planetary-gear unit, brand new, not rebuilt, from Nations and it's running well. I can't remember the price off the top of my head, but it was cheaper than the true Denso units and is the starter that the guys at Nations are running on their own trucks.
Marv is right... get a reliable rebuild shop on your existing unit and you should be good to go. If you prefer to purchase brand new... I would call Nations (google them).
At the same time, there are some TRUE Denso starters available from folks like Nations Auto Electric (and a few others), but they are quite pricey ($375-$450). I got my last starter which is a Mitsubishi planetary-gear unit, brand new, not rebuilt, from Nations and it's running well. I can't remember the price off the top of my head, but it was cheaper than the true Denso units and is the starter that the guys at Nations are running on their own trucks.
Marv is right... get a reliable rebuild shop on your existing unit and you should be good to go. If you prefer to purchase brand new... I would call Nations (google them).
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)It sounds like the Mitsubishi is a good option, but I wanna talk to my local rebuilder and see what he can do for me before I make a decision!
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I got less than two years on my first Denso-STYLE starter from DB (in my F250), and less than 6 months on the second (in my F250). A third unit which was purchased (for my Ex) before the second one went out is still running with about 8-9 months on it now, and seems to still be doing OK, but I will NOT get another knock-off unit again. If my newest Mitsu (in my F250) holds up the way the guys at Nations say, that's what I will replace my Denso knock-off with when it dies.
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My bet is at $150 it is a 'denso-type' and is Made in China. Same POS DB Electric sells as low as $95??
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From: La La Land
Depending on what your old one needs, and what you tell them to do, it could run from $30 to $130 for parts alone. The highest failure in the Mitsu's is the contacts in the solenoid. You could just replace the solenoid alone if that's what's causing it to not work as advertised. The brushes are surprisingly hard and long-lasting, so they may, or may not, be OK.
You won't likely get much of a warranty (if that's important to you at all) unless you give them carte blanche to go through it completely. That always costs more.
A competent shop should be able to turn one of them around in an afternoon, assuming they have all the necessary parts on the shelf.
The real key is to go in there already knowing what you want them to do, know what's involved in doing it, and balance cost, response time, and quality.
It's just like anything else.....
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I was offered a fully rebuilt altenator for my truck from a local rebuilder here but waited the two-three days(weekend) for just mine to be rebuilt, didn't want to let my stocker go. This place also rebuilds starters so thats where mines going when its time. Another vote for local rebuilders, rebuilt by American's for American's.
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From: Gilbert Az.
25years of installing and rebuilding Mitsubishi gear reduction starters in heavy equipment field service tells me to tell you stay away from the denso! I have had nothing but rework from that P.O.S. Find a reputable rebuilder cost should be 1/2 of new regardless of nessecary repairs a good rebuilder will put in new planetary gears if needed new brushes and bearings rewound armature and new bendix gear, and always a new solinoid! It's as good as. New starter in longevity and performance sometimes better, that's my experience and I've done at least 500 over the last 25 years...