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Old May 23, 2011 | 01:07 AM
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Is it possible to overload?

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My dad has a 1986 Ford F150 4x4 regular cab 5.0L 302 automatic tranny and we have hauled over 1800lbs. We put 10 80lb bags of horse pellets, 5 90lbs of concrete, 5 rolls of field fencing weighing about 100lbs each roll all at the same time climbing hills and all that plus did I metion 3 people on the cab. Then about 1 week or 2 he had me go down with him and we put 90 8X8X16 cement block roght on the axle climbing hills scaring the crap out of everybody behind us but climbed it like nothin. I don't get it I have overloaded Chevys and dodges and an 06 F150 2wd Triton V8 5.4L. Can anybody explain this theres no air bag suspension. It hauls almost better than my 2002 Ford F250 4x4 Triton V10 6.8L Ext cab. Like they say I guess built ford tough.
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Old May 23, 2011 | 07:05 AM
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LOL ya answered your own question.
 
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Old May 23, 2011 | 11:55 AM
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I guess so.
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Old May 23, 2011 | 12:41 PM
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Legally you can't haul more than the GVWR on the safety certification lable, located on the drivers cab "B" pillar, just below the door striker bolt.

You biggest limitation will be brakes and stopping distance. It will be greatly reduced, and parts will wear quicker.

Then overloading will also wear out the bearing races in the rear end quicker, than if you didn't.

Other than that, they are quite capbable of hauling more than rated. The F-250 and F-350 are the same way...

But I don't recommend doing it for safety and liability reasons...
 
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Old May 23, 2011 | 01:42 PM
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To answer your question yes it is possible to over load it. That being said, that point is quite beyond the rated capacity, even more so with a helper spring. However, your biggest problem will be brakes.
 
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Old May 23, 2011 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 81-F-150-Explorer
Legally you can't haul more than the GVWR on the safety certification lable, located on the drivers cab "B" pillar, just below the door striker bolt.

Then overloading will also wear out the bearing races in the rear end quicker, than if you didn't.

But I don't recommend doing it for safety and liability reasons...

My friend did that with his F150, always at at least 5K in the back hauling junk! Till one day while on the scales, the axle failed. That caused one big brew-haha when FDOT(Florida Dept of Transportation) showed up as it dammaged the certified scales. Got one hell of fine and had to pay for dammages to the scale. FDOT had the truck scrapped because the frame was also streched from the abuse. Did he learn, nope...... 30 days later with a C1500 chevy, had the SAME THING happen, But this time was not on any scales, was on a main road when the axle snapped and he rolled it. I don't rember how long he was in the hospital, but that educated him!
 
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Old May 23, 2011 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Eddiec1564
My friend did that with his F150, always at at least 5K in the back hauling junk! Till one day while on the scales, the axle failed. That caused one big brew-haha when FDOT(Florida Dept of Transportation) showed up as it dammaged the certified scales. Got one hell of fine and had to pay for dammages to the scale. FDOT had the truck scrapped because the frame was also streched from the abuse. Did he learn, nope...... 30 days later with a C1500 chevy, had the SAME THING happen, But this time was not on any scales, was on a main road when the axle snapped and he rolled it. I don't rember how long he was in the hospital, but that educated him!
That is totally insane. I had a pallet (one ton) of pellets on my half ton Dodge. I knew that it would haul it, but I was totally sweating bullets moving it like 4 miles. Luckily it was down all rural dirt roads to my families house (only traffic on the road is farm equipment). I did ten miles an hour until I got there and had my flashers on. Hauled it like a champ, but I don't plan to do it again.

Its almost universal that the engine, frame and transmission can handle it, but the issue lies in the braking systems. For example, my buddy had a 98 Dodge with a Cummins, 6 speed trans, pac brake all the goodies. He was hauling a load of scrap (well within his gvwr) and almost rolled his truck. He was doing 55 in the right lane behind a semi a ways back and a car zipped around him. The car got in front of the semi and brake checked it and my buddy downshifted, hit the brakes, and the pac brake came on. The trailer still pushed him as the truck(semi) went from 55-30 my buddy hit the jerzy barrier and messed up his pickup.
People don't think that semis can stop very good, but I have personally observed that they can. Just remember they have braking power to all 18+ wheels, where as a regular truck has brakes on between 4-6 wheels. A big problem with a heavy load.

I passed a Nissan Xterra a while back hauling a camper. The back end was probably a foot from the ground and the rear tires were splayed out. Totally obvious the capacity of the vehicle was exceeded and it was no longer safe.
 
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Old May 23, 2011 | 03:47 PM
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And don't forget the possibility of front float. It's great and cool what our trucks can haul, but we need to keep in mind the safety of other people out on the road as well. I have a buddy who's a truck safety enforcement officer (you know, the guy who writes tickets that wreck your world). He has some AMAZING stories of the stupid crap people do when hauling stuff.
 
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Old May 23, 2011 | 10:40 PM
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You see we do this all the time since 09 of January and it has every thing the same brakes aren't because we redid when we bought it but other than that nothing hauls like a champ actually just did it again today with it did it like nothing going 65 to 75 miles per hour and nothing hurt her. My dads friend has a work truck and he is a solar repair man putting batteries in had it for two weeks with only 8 205lbs of batteries the dodge (his work truck) lost its axle and blew the tranny and engine and it is a 3/4ton. He wanted to put a horse trailer on it but I said no so he listened. Also the GVRW on the truck has been blanked out and we showed two MVDs up here and they say that it was done by them because it was hauling more than the GVRW for most of the same year truck. The guys at home depot always have an officer out here on the lot because lowes is across the street so they make sure nobody overhauls and the cop never bothers us just others. We actually brought it to a mechanic and he said along with three others is no helper spring and they couldn't put one on (the other three dosen't include me who checked it out first). My neighbor who is a Chevrolet guy can't belive it he can't do as much as we do with his 3/4 ton. All my friends say it is just built Ford Tough. I live in a mobil home with my wife and two kids on the same lot my dad is on so I see everything he does when hauling plus I help load (I only live with him because my parents are getting old so they need somebody to help them of my brothers and sister I chose to stay plus I like it out here and I get the lot when he passes away) and we live on a dirt road 5 miles back where it is maintaned partial of it but really crappy.
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Old May 24, 2011 | 12:13 PM
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The GVWR wouldn't be just blanked out. It may have been reclassified and a new sticker attached by the state, then the old number blanked out, but it will have some type of information. Otherwise it's not legal.

The brakes are only rated for the weight the truck was intended to haul from the factory. Even if they are like new, they are not rated to stop more weight than intended. The brakes can be upgraded, then inspected by the state, however if they are the same factory brakes it came with new, it's not enough to stop an "overloaded truck" satisfactorly.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 03:15 PM
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Howdy 81 F150 Explorer,
I don't mean to say your wrong but that is the guys said even officers that have been for over 25 years say this. I don't I am not trying to complain about it I just can't belive it also my dads mechanic who is a brake specialist who we brought the truck to today said it isn't wearing wrong or anything it is actually doing better on the brakes then before also we stop overloaded like nothin.
Trav
2002 Ford F250 4x4 Triton V10 6.8L ext cab
1988 Ford F150 4x4 5.0L 302 regular cab
2009 Harley Davidson Fat Bob FXDF
2002 Ford F550 4x4 Crewcab 7.3L diesel dually flat bed (just got today in a package of three trucks for free from a guy who owed my wife lots of money so gave up the trucks)
2002 Ford F350 4x4 Crew cab Dually 7.3L powerstroke diesel (Got today in deal)
2000 Ford F350 4x4 Crew cab SRW 6.8L Triton V10 (got today in deal)
99 Ford F350 4x4 crew cab diesel flatbed (from brother not running.) easy fix though I plug was broken.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 03:31 PM
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Around here there are some people that haul pulp wood with pickups. I did see one that folded in half right behind the cab. Now I don't know the condition of his frame to start with, but it definatly folded the frame.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cowboy1988
Howdy 81 F150 Explorer,
I don't mean to say your wrong but that is the guys said even officers that have been for over 25 years say this. I don't I am not trying to complain about it I just can't belive it also my dads mechanic who is a brake specialist who we brought the truck to today said it isn't wearing wrong or anything it is actually doing better on the brakes then before also we stop overloaded like nothin.
Trav
2002 Ford F250 4x4 Triton V10 6.8L ext cab
1988 Ford F150 4x4 5.0L 302 regular cab
2009 Harley Davidson Fat Bob FXDF
2002 Ford F550 4x4 Crewcab 7.3L diesel dually flat bed (just got today in a package of three trucks for free from a guy who owed my wife lots of money so gave up the trucks)
2002 Ford F350 4x4 Crew cab Dually 7.3L powerstroke diesel (Got today in deal)
2000 Ford F350 4x4 Crew cab SRW 6.8L Triton V10 (got today in deal)
99 Ford F350 4x4 crew cab diesel flatbed (from brother not running.) easy fix though I plug was broken.
Cowboy1988,
All this sounds fine and dandy until someone is injured or, heaven forbid, killed by a grossly overloaded vehicle. After which that person will find out the hard way what the legal payload of the truck is/was. If someone is killed or injured by an overloaded vehicle the operator will pay a very heavy price both financially and morally. There are valid reasons for the GVWR limits on trucks.
Enough said I am off my soapbox.
 
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Old May 25, 2011 | 01:37 AM
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Howdy partner,
Look I am not trying to **** anybody off so do what you want. I am just tryin to tell yall what is going on. So don't get all pissed off calling me and my dad a criminal.
Trav

2002 Ford F250 4x4 Triton V10 6.8L ext cab
1988 Ford F150 4x4 5.0L 302 regular cab
2009 Harley Davidson Fat Bob FXDF
2002 Ford F550 4x4 Crewcab 7.3L diesel dually flat bed (just got yesterday in a package of three trucks for free from a guy who owed my wife lots of money so gave up the trucks)
2002 Ford F350 4x4 Crew cab Dually 7.3L powerstroke diesel (Got yesterday in deal)
2000 Ford F350 4x4 Crew cab SRW 6.8L Triton V10 (got yesterday in deal)
99 Ford F350 4x4 crew cab diesel flatbed (from brother not running.) easy fix though I plug was broken
 
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Old May 25, 2011 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gfw1985
Around here there are some people that haul pulp wood with pickups. I did see one that folded in half right behind the cab. Now I don't know the condition of his frame to start with, but it definatly folded the frame.

Could be the swiss cheese frame of the 1980-1981 vintage.

They liked to buckle with head on crashes, rear end impacts and overloading, right behind the cab where the largest hole is.
 
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