3208 smoke problem
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3208 smoke problem
I just got a new clutch in my F7000 so I could get it emission tested and registered. I failed emissions miserbly due to high smoke. Does anyone know what the cause could be? It's a non-turbo 3208 with about 300,000 miles. Smoke is primarily white. I'm going to try fresh fuel (no idea the age of the fuel in the tank) and a fuel filter. I haven't driven it enough to know if it's going through oil.
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-Joel
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-Joel
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It coould be pump timing, the way i understand it on these critters pump timing is the cause, we had a 75c8000 that was a fire truck turned single axle tractor that smoked bad when cold and black when loaded, IIRC there was a gear that had to get knocked off and adjusted.
Found this on another site
The Timing is set by "pin timing" the pump using a pin in the pump camshaft and a 5/16" bolt threaded into the engine camshaft...if you are having white smoke check the pin timing. Sometimes during installation of the pump the drive gear can slip and you will need to loosen and retorque the bolt/drive gear after installing the pin and bolt.
So, you have to knock the gear off and then set the pin timing and lastly torque the bolt down to tighten the gear,
Here is some pics, only go to step 6. Leave the manifold andlines and such on
FUEL INJECTION PUMP HOUSING AND GOVERNOR DISASSEMBLY AND ASSEMBLY
Found this on another site
The Timing is set by "pin timing" the pump using a pin in the pump camshaft and a 5/16" bolt threaded into the engine camshaft...if you are having white smoke check the pin timing. Sometimes during installation of the pump the drive gear can slip and you will need to loosen and retorque the bolt/drive gear after installing the pin and bolt.
So, you have to knock the gear off and then set the pin timing and lastly torque the bolt down to tighten the gear,
Here is some pics, only go to step 6. Leave the manifold andlines and such on
FUEL INJECTION PUMP HOUSING AND GOVERNOR DISASSEMBLY AND ASSEMBLY
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its also very important that you state at what operating tempature your getting white smoke at. If the truck is blowing white smoke at normal operating tempature , it could be a bad headgasket,which would leave you with poor cylinder compression. I am pretty sure that at that point your spitting out alot of unburnt fuel.
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It was smoking at all temperatures. I drove it for about 45 minutes prior to e-test, but it really didn't seem to change. I know the head gaskets were replaced a couple years ago. Hopefully it hasn't lost one again.
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Fuel timing can definitely cause a smokey engine. Compression check would be high on the list of things to do as well.
Once you know your timing is on, and the compression is there. Then you can start checking injector spray patterns.
Of course if you have old fuel, that would be a great place to start. Put some new fuel in and hope for the best.
Maybe put some thinned and filtered vegie oil in there? Does that lower emissions?
If you're feeling sneaky, rig up a simple propane injection that you can remove once you pass, I know that propane cleans up even the dirtiest diesels.
Once you know your timing is on, and the compression is there. Then you can start checking injector spray patterns.
Of course if you have old fuel, that would be a great place to start. Put some new fuel in and hope for the best.
Maybe put some thinned and filtered vegie oil in there? Does that lower emissions?
If you're feeling sneaky, rig up a simple propane injection that you can remove once you pass, I know that propane cleans up even the dirtiest diesels.
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Ive seen kits for doing that on the 3208's we had two buried in he old milkhouse and one time, i think they were to reduce the cold smoke. They came from CenturyMercury Motor Freight. Their terminal was next to the freeway and when all those Kittys got woke up in the morning the dander would float accross the freeway so they were told to clean em up!
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I assuming your figuring the 2 degrees advance on the harmonic balancer?
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As stated above check the timing. If your not loosing coolant, head gaskets are fine.I dont remember blown head gaskets drinking coolant, most blew out between two cylinders. If your eng still has cat pistons (n/a eng) it only has two compression rings. (Turbo has three) . New these engines smoked and used oil. Also the new low sulpher fuel is gonna be harsh on your inj. pump seals. I worked in n.j. and I know they were brutal on old diesel engines, they had to meet current emissions or take it off the road. By the way if the timing is off, you will need a special cat puller to pop the gear off to reset timing. I do have a 3208 manual here somewhere , and replaced several pumps and set timing. Good luck
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Well it's getting better. Changed the fuel filter and put in fresh fuel. That helped a lot, but still failed the e test. I checked the timing and it was about right. I went ahead and advanced it a couple degrees. That turned the smoke from white to black and smoothed out the idle a bit. I've also added some fuel treatment. Unfortunatly, it's still smoking more than allowed. I'm planned on adding some biodiesel to the tank to see if that helps, but I'm certainly open to other suggestions.
Thanks for everything so far. It's getting better, just a little more to go.
-Joel
Thanks for everything so far. It's getting better, just a little more to go.
-Joel