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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 11:38 PM
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Stock Air Intake

I am a proud new owner of the 6.0L. I bought used and everything seems ok except for the air intake. The first owner had installed an AEM intake. I know, from reading FTE posts, that many of you greatly prefer the stock Donaldson intake and i agree.

Question is, does anybody know where i could get one? Anybody got one they'd like to sell to me?

Also, will i fail a smog test without the stock air intake?
 
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 11:51 PM
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no you wont fail the smog test and just save your money. only thing is you will have to clean it more. i clean mine about once a month. gives me something to do. id rather switch back to stock but my brother took my intake for his truck since his was destroyed when we got the truck...long story. but anyways it will be fine just keep an eye on it. unless you are tired of the air noise then i can try to find you a stock one
 
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 11:52 PM
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Good pick. I am sure someone out there has whatever factory pieces they had to remove to put in their aftermarket air intake laying around. If you get the things you need and end up looking for a new (motorcraft) stock air filter check out dieselfiltersonlinedotcom. I just replaced mine for a shade under $50 from them. The filter is packed with the updated blue synthetic material rather than standard white packing which does a little better of a job handling moisture and such.

As far as the smog thing, not sure as I am in Michigan and don't have to worry about that yet. I would imagine that it would not cause a problem for you.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 12:47 AM
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It's the AEM Brute Force. Is that the same one you have? I'm sure that its a good filter but it isn't a cold air intake like the stock one is. Not exactly sure what affect that has on the engine but whatever. I recently cleaned it after driving through dust storms in Arizona, luckily these filters don't have to be replaced only cleaned.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 05:05 AM
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That air intake may very well fail a smog inspection in a state like California where the test involves a visual inspection and OBDII hook up along with a visual smoke test. Having gone through California smog tests on cars several times, I can tell you an aftermarket intake will be immediately recognized. (The link below specifies visual and OBD II testing of diesels follows the procedure for gasoline vehicles. That also means the OBD II data is fed into a tamper proof computer that reports to the state. So, don't think you can put your license plates on your buddy's stock 2008. The computer knows what vehicle it's plugged into and the VIN and license plate has to match. You don't want to be caught doing this.) Thank God I no longer live in California.

California regulates smog inspection stations very closely and issues huge penalties to cheaters, so don't think a twenty or hundred will make somebody put on sunglasses while inspecting your truck.

Unless that AEM intake has a CARB EO number, it's not legal. As a matter of fact, federal and state smog regulations consider air intakes part of the emission system on engines and modifying any part of the emissions system is by statute illegal unless the modification has been approved.

California has set up a procedure through the California Air Resources Board (CARB) to test and approve aftermarket parts. The test costs money and if the part passes CARB issues an EO (executive order) number. Other states have adopted CARB approval and look for it.

So, modifying any part of the emissions system is illegal under Federal law and any applicable local laws. Currently, the Federal government does not conduct testing. That does not mean the state won't refer your violation to the Feds after they catch you.

Here's some info on the California test. It mentions New York, Nevada and Colorado test diesel emissions.

http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResource...4-09_Final.pdf

Regardless of testing, you should find a stock intake for the longevity of your engine The OEM intake has proved to filter better that aftermarket and has more than adequate airflow for stock to mildly modified 6.0s. Look up "dusted engine."

You can look up a CARB EO number here:

Database: Aftermarket Parts Database of Executive Orders

I'm not sure what AEM intake you have but CARB lists an AEM intake for 2003 Powerstrokes: 21-8104 EO number: D 670.


Ask your state if they accept CARB approved parts with EO numbers. You may want to call AEM and have them send you the correct EO number sticker for your intake if one is not already on it.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 11:10 AM
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WOW! you just cured me from ever wanten to move to California. Do they have cameras in your house too?
 
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 11:19 AM
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XB70- the intake doesnt change the gases that come out of the exhaust. all it does it bring air in and filter it. why you would fail a smog test would be becasue the cat is gone, the egr cooler is gone, or the egr valve is gone, running a tuner. not a cold air intake.
73stang- i have the AFE intake. mine is a sealed box. i think yours is more of an open air type filter. do you hear alot of air noise when you get on the throttle?
 
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 12:34 PM
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WOW! you just cured me from ever wanten to move to California. Do they have cameras in your house too?
Not till nest year! lol
 
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 01:19 PM
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The government pollutes worse thgan anyone and tell Cali residents they cant mod their vehicles? Seems hypocritical. Here in BC we had a thing called "Aircare" in the Vancouver area. Went on for 20 years, their methods of reading, employees had no formal training just a scope, mirror and a pc to say you failed now give me 20 bucks. 20 yrs later it was 75 or 80 bucks and same bs. My wife and mother in law both bought new little hondas back in 91-92, they both got aircared wife passed mother in law failed so she drove to another branch and passed. Makes no sense. Guys were drivin around til good and warm to get a pass. In my opinion it was a tax grab and nothing more. Oh I know someone will say but havent you seen the smog in Cali, yes been there lots and I think its a mass combination of things and the fact that people are buyin this bs is maken guys like Al Gore way too much money.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 01:55 PM
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The government pollutes worse thgan anyone and tell Cali residents they cant mod their vehicles? Seems hypocritical. Here in BC we had a thing called "Aircare" in the Vancouver area. Went on for 20 years, their methods of reading, employees had no formal training just a scope, mirror and a pc to say you failed now give me 20 bucks. 20 yrs later it was 75 or 80 bucks and same bs. My wife and mother in law both bought new little hondas back in 91-92, they both got aircared wife passed mother in law failed so she drove to another branch and passed. Makes no sense. Guys were drivin around til good and warm to get a pass. In my opinion it was a tax grab and nothing more. Oh I know someone will say but havent you seen the smog in Cali, yes been there lots and I think its a mass combination of things and the fact that people are buyin this bs is maken guys like Al Gore way too much money.
couldnt agree more! this crap is crazy!!! they need to find a better way to do this! government wants more money to put in obamas pocket thats all. the guys that pass the cars dont like obama and the ones that fail do. JK but seriously its crazy im glad im in texas where they still have there heads on somewhat straight
 
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rdunagan
XB70- the intake doesnt change the gases that come out of the exhaust. all it does it bring air in and filter it. why you would fail a smog test would be becasue the cat is gone, the egr cooler is gone, or the egr valve is gone, running a tuner. not a cold air intake.
Visual inspection you might indeed fail, regardless if it actually causes more or less pollutants.

About the only anti-pollution policy that the government came up with that was actually successful all the way around (meaning everyone won, companies even earned more money) was the SO2 program in the 80s. Pollution went down, companies got more efficient about controlling pollution and everyone won.

Pollution control can work done correctly. Now I don't believe in global warming as most people expound it today, but pollution is bad for us period. So I do believe pollution control is a necessary evil to an extent. If everyone is left up to their own devices it would get out of hand. I know enough about human nature to know that.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 03:36 PM
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Does anyone like CARB?! Sucks for us Californians
Just checked, and this particular filter I have is issued under C.A.R.B. E.O. #D-392-24 for part number 21-8104.
Does that guarantee that I will pass (so long as the other requirements are met)?

As for the sound that it makes, its not quite audible when in the cab. But when the hood is popped and the engine revs up the whoosing air sound is clear.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 04:37 PM
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Im all for pollution control but corkin up our engines only makes us spend more on fuel hence defeating the purpose.

As for global warming its a load of crap. The earth has gone thru billions of years of pukin up civilizations.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by XB70
That air intake may very well fail a smog inspection in a state like California where the test involves a visual inspection and OBDII hook up along with a visual smoke test. Having gone through California smog tests on cars several times, I can tell you an aftermarket intake will be immediately recognized. (The link below specifies visual and OBD II testing of diesels follows the procedure for gasoline vehicles. That also means the OBD II data is fed into a tamper proof computer that reports to the state. So, don't think you can put your license plates on your buddy's stock 2008. The computer knows what vehicle it's plugged into and the VIN and license plate has to match. You don't want to be caught doing this.) Thank God I no longer live in California.

California regulates smog inspection stations very closely and issues huge penalties to cheaters, so don't think a twenty or hundred will make somebody put on sunglasses while inspecting your truck.

Unless that AEM intake has a CARB EO number, it's not legal. As a matter of fact, federal and state smog regulations consider air intakes part of the emission system on engines and modifying any part of the emissions system is by statute illegal unless the modification has been approved.

California has set up a procedure through the California Air Resources Board (CARB) to test and approve aftermarket parts. The test costs money and if the part passes CARB issues an EO (executive order) number. Other states have adopted CARB approval and look for it.

So, modifying any part of the emissions system is illegal under Federal law and any applicable local laws. Currently, the Federal government does not conduct testing. That does not mean the state won't refer your violation to the Feds after they catch you.

Here's some info on the California test. It mentions New York, Nevada and Colorado test diesel emissions.

http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResource...4-09_Final.pdf

Regardless of testing, you should find a stock intake for the longevity of your engine The OEM intake has proved to filter better that aftermarket and has more than adequate airflow for stock to mildly modified 6.0s. Look up "dusted engine."

You can look up a CARB EO number here:

Database: Aftermarket Parts Database of Executive Orders

I'm not sure what AEM intake you have but CARB lists an AEM intake for 2003 Powerstrokes: 21-8104 EO number: D 670.

Ask your state if they accept CARB approved parts with EO numbers. You may want to call AEM and have them send you the correct EO number sticker for your intake if one is not already on it.
There is no OBD II hookup test for the 6.0 powerstroke in California emissions testing. It's visual only including the visual smoke test.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 09:39 PM
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all in all with everything said. you should be fine. just keep that one on there, check it once a month or so and save your money. stock filter might filter better but in the long run if you just keep an eye on the one you have now you will be fine. if it really was that bad for the truck i would know by now with how much i use mine.
 
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