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If I owned a plane and flew my family, yes I would like all the info I could get to insure their safety.
My truck is not ever off the ground, if it is not to the tune of a couple of thousand feet. I feel that it would be a waste of money. Take all the tests you want and Ford will just look at you as if you were nuts.
Just seems like you are p***ing in the wind getting the tests done.
My truck is not ever off the ground, if it is not to the tune of a couple of thousand feet. I feel that it would be a waste of money. Take all the tests you want and Ford will just look at you as if you were nuts.
Just seems like you are p***ing in the wind getting the tests done.
Here's an example. Let's say your water level is at 10%. Will Ford work on my engine based on that number?
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I appreciate the wealth of info here, and I have contemplated getting oil analysis myself in the past, and I might even do it on my new truck in the future.
But, I am curious as to exactly what you would do about it if Blackstone continued to report, for example, elevated aluminum particulate?
I don't mean to be sarcastic, but exactly what do you do with that info? Do you take it to your dealer and say something is wrong here? It would seem to me that during the warranty period, they are just going to tell you everything is ok, and basically wait for a failure as far as I can tell.
I guess my point is that as proactive as I am about maintenance and my grandfather's voice saying "if you take care of your vehicle, it will take care of you..." what do you do about it? I guess I have enough to worry about without the added expense and frustration if my engine is developing an internal issue. Granted, it is far easier to coast to a dead stop in a truck than a plane...
Again, I don't mean to be argumentative here or stir anything up. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the wealth of wisdom available here from guys like Epic, but I just don't currently see how to make use of the info provided from an analysis. If I am missing something, please enlighten me.
But, I am curious as to exactly what you would do about it if Blackstone continued to report, for example, elevated aluminum particulate?
I don't mean to be sarcastic, but exactly what do you do with that info? Do you take it to your dealer and say something is wrong here? It would seem to me that during the warranty period, they are just going to tell you everything is ok, and basically wait for a failure as far as I can tell.
I guess my point is that as proactive as I am about maintenance and my grandfather's voice saying "if you take care of your vehicle, it will take care of you..." what do you do about it? I guess I have enough to worry about without the added expense and frustration if my engine is developing an internal issue. Granted, it is far easier to coast to a dead stop in a truck than a plane...
Again, I don't mean to be argumentative here or stir anything up. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the wealth of wisdom available here from guys like Epic, but I just don't currently see how to make use of the info provided from an analysis. If I am missing something, please enlighten me.
Are you saying information without applicability is useless? I think you're being a little too practical here...
[sarc]Actually, you're exactly right. I've run over the same scenario you described of going to the dealer and showing him the oil is outside the average range and asking them to fix it. I'd love to have the camera on when the service manager hears that request. I imagine anything from very polite to incredibly rude but the ultimate outcome would be the same. In all cases they would communicate, GO AWAY.
There's a couple of things going on here that contribute to the current problem with oil samples from our engines:
- The 6.7L is a brand new engine so the averages don't mean squat. Sure they can extrapolate generalities and make statistical assumptions but how those data points apply to my particular engine is impossible to tell. Maybe when they have tested several hundred 6.7L's over several thousand samples they can begin drawing some trend lines. For now, I just feel like I'm contributing to the data pool. The recommendations at this point are akin to reading the entertainment page in the Sunday rag.
- The change interval is so variable it brings into question the validity of the particulate content. I mean, come one... in my last sample it was suggested that in order to decrease the wear metals in the next sample, I change my oil more frequently.
I get the desire to remove the impurities for the purpose of getting them out of the engine, but that says absolutely noting about the RATE that the metals are entering the oil.
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I think the real value is if you are able to document a potential problem through the analysis and use that data later. Could be helpful to get extended warranty support if you can show the failure began during the warranty period.
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I appreciate the wealth of info here, and I have contemplated getting oil analysis myself in the past, and I might even do it on my new truck in the future.
But, I am curious as to exactly what you would do about it if Blackstone continued to report, for example, elevated aluminum particulate?
I don't mean to be sarcastic, but exactly what do you do with that info? Do you take it to your dealer and say something is wrong here? It would seem to me that during the warranty period, they are just going to tell you everything is ok, and basically wait for a failure as far as I can tell.
I guess my point is that as proactive as I am about maintenance and my grandfather's voice saying "if you take care of your vehicle, it will take care of you..." what do you do about it? I guess I have enough to worry about without the added expense and frustration if my engine is developing an internal issue. Granted, it is far easier to coast to a dead stop in a truck than a plane...
Again, I don't mean to be argumentative here or stir anything up. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the wealth of wisdom available here from guys like Epic, but I just don't currently see how to make use of the info provided from an analysis. If I am missing something, please enlighten me.
But, I am curious as to exactly what you would do about it if Blackstone continued to report, for example, elevated aluminum particulate?
I don't mean to be sarcastic, but exactly what do you do with that info? Do you take it to your dealer and say something is wrong here? It would seem to me that during the warranty period, they are just going to tell you everything is ok, and basically wait for a failure as far as I can tell.
I guess my point is that as proactive as I am about maintenance and my grandfather's voice saying "if you take care of your vehicle, it will take care of you..." what do you do about it? I guess I have enough to worry about without the added expense and frustration if my engine is developing an internal issue. Granted, it is far easier to coast to a dead stop in a truck than a plane...
Again, I don't mean to be argumentative here or stir anything up. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the wealth of wisdom available here from guys like Epic, but I just don't currently see how to make use of the info provided from an analysis. If I am missing something, please enlighten me.
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Epic,
Ok, you sold me! <grin>
I'll join the crew and get an analysis so I can lament the aluminum content myself... Misery loves company, right?
Maybe aluminum shavings are the 461st part for '12 eh? In all honesty, I am the same personality type, and there is really no such thing as TMI for me. In this case, I might feel like an ostrich afterwards though...
Ok, you sold me! <grin>
I'll join the crew and get an analysis so I can lament the aluminum content myself... Misery loves company, right?
Maybe aluminum shavings are the 461st part for '12 eh? In all honesty, I am the same personality type, and there is really no such thing as TMI for me. In this case, I might feel like an ostrich afterwards though...
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If you do a UOA for one reason and one reason only on a diesel engine is to keep a check on oil dilution, as this could indicate a leaking injector/s and get it fixed before a serious problem develops. If I remember correctly Ford considers anything over 6% as a problem and a warrenty repair is justified.
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If you do a OUA for one reason and one reason only on a diesel engine is to keep a check on oil dilution, as this could indicate a leaking injector/s and get it fixed before a serious problem develops. If I remember correctly Ford considers anything over 6% as a problem and a warrenty repair is justified.
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I do it not because I have to but because I want to.
I probably won't sample every oil change but I was interested to read what is going on in there.
Fuel content is the main reason the other data is simply documentation.
I probably won't sample every oil change but I was interested to read what is going on in there.
Fuel content is the main reason the other data is simply documentation.
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Rob,
- The change interval is so variable it brings into question the validity of the particulate content. I mean, come one... in my last sample it was suggested that in order to decrease the wear metals in the next sample, I change my oil more frequently. I get the desire to remove the impurities for the purpose of getting them out of the engine, but that says absolutely noting about the RATE that the metals are entering the oil.
For example, if you have a bypass setup and think maybe you might be able to go, say, 30K between drains, you might take a sample every 5K or so and see what she says. Your dream of 30K might be adjusted to 20K based on the sample.
As far as why do it, I do it simply because I want to know. That's it. Same as why some people want an EGT gauge (me too!) or a boost gauge. I want to know what is going on. Others say those gauges are usesless or analysis is useless which is quite fine too; to each his own.
I'm not changing interval as a result of the analysis; I'm changing every 5K regardless what the analysis or the computer says.
I am quite interested also in fuel in the oil.
And then if anything looks dramatic and might indicate a failure, that could help too.
The averages for all engines don't mean much to me and I don't pay attention to those. It's mine I'm interested in from one sample to the next.
I had posted my 5K report on here and if anybody is interested, they should be able to find it on search. 10K is coming up and I'll post that one when the time comes as well which will be pretty soon.
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