Tranmission mounted e-brake
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Tranmission mounted e-brake
Anyone have pictures of a trans mounted e-brake in a f series truck? I'd like to get one for my pickup, the current ebrake lever has no ratchet mechanism- which is a pain! I'm assuming the only place to get one is off the bigger trucks, F500 and up, right? Anyway, the NP435 I have has bolts holes in the side that look like they were meant for it, and I'd like to add it.
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this would quite simple I think if you had a NP435 out of a 4wd truck. then you coud bolt on a drum brake unit form a 88-97 F-superduty (F-450) it uses the cable that goes the pedal under the dash like any other ford truck of that eara.
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Sorry, I meant the e-brake lever on the transmission, like this truck has: https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gal...=36172&width=0 I think it's the short lever just to the side of the shifter -it's kinda hard to tell on that rig!
I guess I just answered my own question there, haha, anyway, I'd like to get my hands on the lever- a petal just doesn't work for me, and the under dash lever I have isn't much good without a ratchet.
The e-brake in the rear drums have been giving me trouble though, so I might have to look into that F450 parking brake setup.
Sam
I guess I just answered my own question there, haha, anyway, I'd like to get my hands on the lever- a petal just doesn't work for me, and the under dash lever I have isn't much good without a ratchet.
The e-brake in the rear drums have been giving me trouble though, so I might have to look into that F450 parking brake setup.
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You should just fix your rear drum e-brakes. If it isn't working properly due to something internal to the drum brake, you need to fix that anyway, before some part falls out or you get some other problem.
If the cable is worn out, replace it.
Trans mounted e-brakes are not as effective as the TWO rear brakes, and why do you want another lever in the cab, along with another hole in the floor?
jmo....
If the cable is worn out, replace it.
Trans mounted e-brakes are not as effective as the TWO rear brakes, and why do you want another lever in the cab, along with another hole in the floor?
jmo....
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I don't mind the extra lever, I like the lever way better then the petal. As for the floors, they've got several large holes in them already, I don't think another will hurt!
But so far the rear parking brake has been nothing but trouble, I've had it apart 5 or 6 times trying to fix it, but it just keeps developing more problems, I have them apart now and I'll replace the cables, but if that doesn't do it, I think I might have to get that drive-line brake. I figure if it can hold back a 450, I think it would do find on a 250.
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But so far the rear parking brake has been nothing but trouble, I've had it apart 5 or 6 times trying to fix it, but it just keeps developing more problems, I have them apart now and I'll replace the cables, but if that doesn't do it, I think I might have to get that drive-line brake. I figure if it can hold back a 450, I think it would do find on a 250.
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I'm going to run a NP435 manual transmission, a twin sticked NP205 and dual transmission mounted E-brake levers( so I can work each rear E-brake independently when I want to ) .
So I'll only have 5 levers/shifters to deal with. But I will have some kind of tie bar on the E-brake levers so it acts as a single lever during daily use.
And the additional hole/s doesn't bug me because I'm replacing the entire floor in my truck.
Sam I don't see any reason you can't make it work. You will need to do some engineering/modifying to your cable/s to make it/them work in the new location. It'll just take some trial and error/adjusting until you get it to work the way it should.
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I posted the later F450 idea because with a cable you get to choose where YOU want to mount whatever type of lever you want to use.
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Man you'd really dis-like what I'm going to do with my truck!! I'm going to run a NP435 manual transmission, a twin sticked NP205 and dual transmission mounted E-brake levers( so I can work each rear E-brake independently when I want to ) . So I'll only have 5 levers/shifters to deal with. But I will have some kind of tie bar on the E-brake levers so it acts as a single lever during daily use.
And the additional hole/s doesn't bug me because I'm replacing the entire floor in my truck.
Sam I don't see any reason you can't make it work. You will need to do some engineering/modifying to your cable/s to make it/them work in the new location. It'll just take some trial and error/adjusting until you get it to work the way it should.
I'm going to run a NP435 manual transmission, a twin sticked NP205 and dual transmission mounted E-brake levers( so I can work each rear E-brake independently when I want to ) . So I'll only have 5 levers/shifters to deal with. But I will have some kind of tie bar on the E-brake levers so it acts as a single lever during daily use.And the additional hole/s doesn't bug me because I'm replacing the entire floor in my truck.
Sam I don't see any reason you can't make it work. You will need to do some engineering/modifying to your cable/s to make it/them work in the new location. It'll just take some trial and error/adjusting until you get it to work the way it should.
Now all you need is one of those torque splitters that goes in front of the transmission, then you'd have 6 levers.
Where did you get the e-brake levers your going to run, or are they still on the shopping list?
Sam
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5 levers? I'm getting serious truck envy here! I don't mind levers, they re-mind me I'm driving a truck, not one of those suv's with a bed!
Now all you need is one of those torque splitters that goes in front of the transmission, then you'd have 6 levers.
Where did you get the e-brake levers your going to run, or are they still on the shopping list?
Sam
Now all you need is one of those torque splitters that goes in front of the transmission, then you'd have 6 levers.
Where did you get the e-brake levers your going to run, or are they still on the shopping list?
Sam
And 6 levers/shifters might be just a hair too many!They are still on my shopping list. I might end up making my own or Modifying something to work if I can't find what I want.
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I may have found my parking brake lever, stay tuned for more in the next few days!
also, I was at the yard the other day and looked at an F450's parking brake setup, it does look like a nice setup, I may have to go back and grab it.
Sam
also, I was at the yard the other day and looked at an F450's parking brake setup, it does look like a nice setup, I may have to go back and grab it.
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I don't have any pic's, but the trans mounted e-brake used to be fairly common on the NP435. Try medium duty truck junkyards. Lots of older commercial med duty trucks and buses were set up that way. Last one I personally had was in a '69 B-600. Good set-up saved my *** a few times when the ol' bendix tandem booster went out. Be aware though, if you snap a drive shaft or axle that brake wont do you any good.
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I don't have any pic's, but the trans mounted e-brake used to be fairly common on the NP435. Try medium duty truck junkyards. Lots of older commercial med duty trucks and buses were set up that way. Last one I personally had was in a '69 B-600. Good set-up saved my *** a few times when the ol' bendix tandem booster went out. Be aware though, if you snap a drive shaft or axle that brake wont do you any good.
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I've though about putting the whole assembly in, parking brake drum and all- but losing a u-joint and having no e-brake is kinda scary, but I guess as long as the drive shaft and u-joints are in good shape it shouldn't be an issue.
I guess it'll depend on whether or not I can find some parking brake cables that actually fit, I've been going through the wringer on that.
Sam
I guess it'll depend on whether or not I can find some parking brake cables that actually fit, I've been going through the wringer on that.
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Well, I called the yard and they said $50 for the F450 brake setup, I figure another $50-$100 for drive line shortening, I still might come out ahead. New rear cables would run me about $200- ouch! And that's if I can find them.
The one issue: my transmission is the two-wheel drive version, what would need to be done to make the F450 e-brake setup work with it?
Sam
The one issue: my transmission is the two-wheel drive version, what would need to be done to make the F450 e-brake setup work with it?
Sam
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I've been reading up on that parking brake setup- it has a few issues, but over-all it seems like a good unit. I found a few exploded diagrams of it as-well, but I still don't know if it will work with my 2wd NP435. It seems that attaching it to a 2wd ZF tranny requires replacing the main-shaft and a few other parts- but I can't find anything on the 435.
Anyone done this before?
Also, how would I get the thing off the junkyard donor truck? I heard some mention of it being a pain to get off, but can't find much info on it.
EDIT: How many splines are on that ZF tranny output? I believe I have a 28 spline NP435, I kinda doubt that a ZF from a F450 would have that few splines... This could be a deal breaker.
Sam
Anyone done this before?
Also, how would I get the thing off the junkyard donor truck? I heard some mention of it being a pain to get off, but can't find much info on it.
EDIT: How many splines are on that ZF tranny output? I believe I have a 28 spline NP435, I kinda doubt that a ZF from a F450 would have that few splines... This could be a deal breaker.
Sam