I just want to say I have seen some strange things happen in canadian courts

I would not compare to the US system at all IMHO

 

Again, I can't find any glow plugs mentioned on 5 years of repair invoices. I'm starting to think that I bought the truck with them installed.

I'll be talking to my service rep and see when or if they installed plugs for me. If not, then the Non-ford dealer did it. Probably no way to get compensated by him. I googled his business and it has changed names now. Whoopee

 

They should just give him a brand new ford powerstroke in trade because I'm sure he has sunk enough money into this one to buy a new one already

 

Lol you have no idea!

But if this new motor does the trick, than I'll have a better truck than the 6.7. Prob close to 600 HP and urea or DPF etc.

I almost traded it in but after looking at the monthly payments for a new one I figured I'd try this first.

 

So, just to recap:

You start this thread blaming Ford for your problems and now a light bulb goes off, a couple of synapses connect and maybe an independent garage installed the incorrect parts. At least you theorize incorrect parts were installed.

But, as you so astutely point out, there's no way to get any money out of the independent, so you gotta blame Ford!

Did I get that right?

 

The rod bearings are a bit small to be making 600 hp... and if the ford tech pulled the old bent glowplugs out of the motor he should of noticed them bent and replaced them regardless of who installed them first. Right?? How many different shops have worked on this truck?

 

The new 6.0 would/does have 600hp? I'm totally confused as to what's going on in this thread.

 

Oh and hopefully this motor has egr delete and head studs?

 

Lol settle down!

There is a good chance that the place I bought it from installed them. But ford should have noticed the bent plugs and piston damage the two times they did my head gaskets. Right?

The repair invoices I have on file don't mention replacing the glow plugs. But maybe they removed and replaced as part if the repairs but no note was made on it. All work has been done by the same ford dealer. So when they do heads would they need to remove glow plugs? If so they should have noticed the plugs or piston damage.

The truck is set up to handle the power. (studs, egr delete etc) I was just saying if this new motor works well I'll be very happy with the truck. I'm sure a new 6.7l is ok but I prefer the 6.0l.

 

If it blew gaskets with studs installed then the next step is o ring the block. And the factory rod bearings are small. About the same as a 350 Chevy! I just saw a 6.0 spin rod bearing and all the rest of the bearings were worn through the babbit and into the brass that short block only had 80,000 miles supposedly

 

Confused? All you need to know is Ford should be ashamed. Even if an independent mechanic installed the wrong parts. If. Maybe.

 

The 350 chevy crank is not even close to a 6.0 crank. The 6.0 throw dia. is 5/8" bigger, and the mains are 3/4" larger. The 454 chevy crank is still way smaller.

 

Sorry for my previous posts if they were confusing. I was typing most of them from my phone and it was "auto-correcting" lol

1. Would Ford have shown a glow plug replacement on their repair invoice? Or is it just a part they replace when they do a head gasket job?

2. I have never done or seen how they do the head gaskets. But would they physically remove the glow plugs to do them? Or would the dents in the piston and bent glow plugs be visible if they left the glow plugs in the head when they removed them?

So whether they installed new ones or not doesn't really matter. What matters is whether the damage to the piston and the bent glow plugs would have been seen. If they were visible, why the heck would you not look into it further. If I saw metal dents in a motor part I would wonder where it developed from. I'm a carpenter, not a mechanic, but that seems it would be common sense. If they would have seen the bent/damaged glow plugs, why not wonder how they bent? They would have to reinstall them bent, or after they got them out they re-installed new ones with no mention on the paper work.

The heads were never machined.

The second time they did the head gaskets they gave me a reduced price because, I quote, "We did the first head gaskets and will take responsibility for it, so we will do it at a reduced rate. I'll work something out. I can't reduce the labour but I can work out something with the parts" The first time the bill was about $5,000 CAD. This included a new oil cooler, EGR cooler, ICP sensor and anti-freeze. All these were listed on the repair invoice. No oil and any other parts/supplies. Second time, it was only $3682 CAD. Parts listed are head gaskets, v-belt,3C3Z-6A642-CA Kit, VC9 and anti-freeze. Tech writes in notes: Egr was deleted (I thought this would help stop future head gasket problems) and oil cooler replaced. I wasn't charged for the new oil cooler and I suppose any other parts used to "reduce the price", Service advisor said he couldn't lower labour but could "fix" things on the parts end. So who knows, maybe they did something with the glow plugs.

Now this all means nothing if the damaged pistons or glow plugs wouldn't have been visible. I wouldn't know since I have no experience with head gasket jobs.

When the head blew the third time I complained to them and they said it was my fault because I had so much power. At this time I had only a 5" exhaust, Banks intercooler Package, AirdogII, airaid filter, stock injectors and turbo. I usually used Eric's tow tune or sometimes the Xstreet tune. Funny thing is 4 years ago they asked me if I wanted to save money on fuel and get more power. I said sure. I had no complaints from the work they have done on my F-150 over the years and they seemed trustworthy and knowledgable. (Oh if I only knew of FTE then). They installed the 5" exhaust, Airaid filter, and wait for it................Edge Juice Platinum. lol yea yea I know. I removed it after the first head gasket job and switched to the SCT.

Anyways, I said that was ridiculous. I argued they started me on this modding and the Edge Juice was much more dangerous for the truck and tranny then what I was running then. So we argued with to no resolve. After an awkward pause he says. "So can I have the keys back?" I said for what? He said well don't you want me to fix it? lmao I said "Um no thanks I need to think about this. You say the power I'm running is the problem but haven't once told me to go to stock or remove the mods and just do the heads again? That seems pretty ridiculous! If the "power is the problem I'll be back here in 4 mths again. I'm tired of pouring money into repairs that should have been done once. I will be taking the truck today and will let you know what I decide."

So I stopped by last week and told him I put a new motor in and why. I said someone put in the wrong glow plugs and the only place I have done repairs at has been with them. He looked like stunned. He said to email the pics. I said ok (I'm not) and said actually I have them right here on my phone. I showed him and he was pretty quiet. So he said ok email me the pics and I'll check your repair history to see if we did any glow plugs. I haven't heard from him since.

It's just very frustrating because of the money involved and how they seem to think throwing a few thousand into repairs every few months is ok. I need the diesel for the towing I do for my business otherwise I'd be gassing it up!

This motor is my last kick at the can. If the truck doesn't last at least 2 years without any large repairs I'm driving it down to gearloose to do as he will with it lol. I think I saw he likes cheap 6.0L. Or I'll turn it into a garden ornament! I couldn't swallow the truck payments for 5 years on a new one. I could have done it but it seemed if I got a warrantied new motor and a trusted installer then I'd have a great truck with good power and no more silly emissions stuff (DPF, urea). The cost of repairs on the new truck in the future would have been killer!

 

Shame on Ford!

You modified the engine.

"Somebody" probably installed the wrong glow plugs.

Your engine didn't blow because of your mods, it had to be the glow plugs! You know, the ones you kind of think the independent shop installed. Maybe.

But, Ford needs to be ashamed because it's all their fault!

Make sure you modify the crap out of your new engine.

 

Thanks already have!

I'm not asking for your sarcasm or insight into the allusive glow plug installer. .

You seem to fail to understand my post. They did a bunch of stuff "free" that wasn't documented on the 2nd head gasket job. So why wouldn't I be sucspicious of what parts were installed that werent documented.

For the record using the mods I had installed at the time should not have caused heads to blow. But the glowplugs would have probably caused detonation and got very hot. The proof in that is....... Ta Da! Blown head gaskets and glow plugs bent and so melted they almost couldn't remove them. I'm no mechanic but I'm sure running a street tune would increase the cylinder pressure which under normal circumstances should be fine. Otherwise there would be a lot of people on here with repeat head gasket problems. And i mean from the tunes only not other symptoms. But with the glow plugs impacting the pistons and getting incredibly hot it would be possible to have detonation on the wrong step of the power stroke causing even higher cylinder pressure. The pressure would have no where to go but out the gaskets. But whatever, what's done is done. If I knew someone would be so sensitive to my thread title I'd rename it if I knew how.

I have no interest in joining your pissing match. Im looking for helpful insight about how the truck works and what is entailed in a head gasket job. I'm looking to see if the glowplugs and piston damage would have been noticed when doing the head gaskets. The installer of the new motor said the glow plugs didn't look very old so that is why I am wondering if they would have been touched during a head gasket job. If they were put in during that repair on the, lets call it, mystery part list i wasnt charged for that would make sense since they would have been in the truck for less than 6mths. If not then as I have said in previous posts it was bought that way. So shame on me! I plan on following up with the dealership but am trying to get more "helpful" insight so I'm not completely ignorant when discussing it. I have other business vehicles and I know the dealership won't want to loss my business over this. Heck I'd be happy with an apology and some new car air freshener at this point. I have bigger fish to fry in my life right now!