Totally off topic...sorry...I'm in Indiana and jh818 is in Chino and we got to have dinner the other night and shoot the bull on Ex's while I was in Anaheim...awesome to be able to do that once in a while and meet fellow FTE'rs face to face!!!...

Ok back on topic...On the NG...I wish it wasn't so expensive to convert vehicles...I would like to have a local car that was NG that I could fill up from my home NG line with a dedicated NG compressor...

 

Thanks 4kidsX, for your logical replies , the natural gas that is under Pennsylvania has already taken an area that was so poor and turned it into a thriving economy, one welding supply shop in a small town has already went from doing $10000 a month to $50000, just because of all of the work that is going on in upstate Pa. This could help the whole country, sorry for bringing it up in the excursion forum, didn't mean to cause any friction.

 

Here is your solution Joe.

2011 Honda Civic GX Overview - Official Site

 

...and 0-60 in 90 minutes.

 

No friction Paultv I get a little fired up when everyone complains but doesnt offer any remedy. I have grown up in the coal fields of KY and everyone seems to be happy with what they have. There are many options available to us but we need to be more open minded to them.
X Hemi Guy that is the kind of investment the Feds should be looking into. If we had an infrastructure in place where we could stop and fill up with NG rather than crude based gasoline we would see many more NG vehicles on the roads.
That investment would create many good paying jobs and boost economies with pipeline workers and related jobs.

 

I think it was in Arizona. And I recall the term "fracking".

All of the ground was coming out smelling like kerosene. It's a mess.

 

You are correct Fracking is the term. It is the process of breaking up the shale or area that contains the gas. Many companies use different processes to accomplish this if it done correctly it doesnt cause the ground to come up. I'm not sure what was happening in Arizona but if the ground was coming up it was way wrong. The gas pockets are so deep that the ground shouldnt move. The solution used for fracking might be what caused the odor. Most companies use liquid nitrogen to frack a well and that is released into the atmosphere it is an inert gas that is the main element in the air. There is world of people that want something for nothing. They sue at will.

 

Fracking isn't going to cause earthquakes, that's just ridiculous, fracking is pumping sand and water into the well and the sand holds the shale apart and when the water is sucked out the sand holds the shale fissures and the gas escapes into the well bore. Water table is at 200 ft. Fracking is at 5000-7000 ft.

 

What I find interesting is an article forward to in an e-mail that states that the largest oil reserve in the world in right here in the US!

The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April
2008 that only scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota, western South Dakota, and extreme eastern Montana ..... check THIS out:

The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay , and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at
503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable... at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5...3 trillion.



"When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.." says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst.



"This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years," reportsThe Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.' It stretches from Northern Montana , through North Dakota and into Canada . For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves..... and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!

That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years straight. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should - because it's from 2006!

U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World
Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006

Interesting

 

The US based oil companies have so much money invested in foriegn oil that they cant afford to drill and extract what is here. In their defense we have so many people that would cry your killing a tree if you drill there that they cant get permits. The perfect example is mountain top mining. Save the mountains kill a community.

 

The Brakken Formation only has enough oil reserves to last 3 years....not 30 years because it only has 3-4 billion barrels not 500 billion to 3 trillion bazillion.

FactCheck.org: Are anti-drilling forces blocking access to the world's largest oil reserve in the western U.S.?

Bakken Formation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

A...that is actually my point...the "normal" civic is ~$15K yet the NG version is ~$25K...how nuts is that?

Same thing with a hybrid...add ~$8K to the price of a "normal" Civic for hybrid technology?...

If these alternative fuel vehicles are going to have a chance...the price is going to have to become more in line with gasoline powered vehicles.

You have to be really GREEN to want to pay that much more for the alternative vehicle...and simply put...most of us aren't going to shell out that much more...

If the government wants to get the ball rolling...divert the tax dollars that are being sent to those poor cash strapped corporations like BP, Mobil/Exxon and the like and funnel it to us rich consumers so we an offset these crazy price differences...

 

TexasEx thanks for the post. Never stated it as fact. Just thought it was interesting and threw it out there. Always nice to get the facts. Actually have family that had land above it in the 60's.

 

You have to mass produce vehicles for the price to come down, obviously there's not a lot of demand for NG vehicles right now because there is limited pump access. Just like electric hybrids.

 

Good gas mileage has been achieved many years ago. The cars can be had for "cheap" now.

Modified Honda CRX HF Wins Fuel Economy Competition with 118 MPG! : TreeHugger