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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 11:21 AM
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I used to use Howes all the time to Barney I will have to pick some more up.

This morning it was snowing and close to 0 with the wind blowing, I let the glow plugs go for 30 seconds, turned the key, she fires sputterd and died. Let the GP's do their work for another 30 seconds and she fired right up no problems this morning.

I wonder how much better it would have started with a new "high pressure injector pump" and new injectors because of the skip that I have in mine.

Like Jay said Knowledge is Power!
 
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 12:43 PM
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When I lived in the COLD I would always cycle the key on--let it sit 1 minute, off, cycle the key on again wait for GP light to go out and then crank. never missed a beat

Barney
 
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 12:59 PM
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Glad you got out of there resonably Jim, for a tow and work on the fuel bowl, all in all that's not too bad.

I don't know what opinion to give on Howes, I used it religiously in my semi truck, but it'd gel up just sitting over night, sometimes on the road, and that was with almost double the recommended rate. Switched to another brand (Polar Power) and my gelling issues almost disappeared.
But I had used Howes in my pickup and never had a problem with it. I think it's like products on here, the ones least advertised commercially are usually the best.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by megawatt00
That is one reason why I wrote out my "saga" knowledge is power if it were not for the knowledge I have gained I would have gotten the shaft today and not even know it.
I love reading threads like this. Its been said many times, but couldnt be said enough, knowledge is power!

Im surprised Ive never had a gellig issue up here, our climate has been known to change up to 40 degrees celcius in a 24 hour time frame. Just last week it was minus 41C with the wind.

What color did ya paint Jl's nails? Surprised no one else asked!
 
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 04:35 PM
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Just found this. Way to go Jim, glad they couldn't get you to buy an injection pump. lol.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by megawatt00
I used to use Howes all the time to Barney I will have to pick some more up.

This morning it was snowing and close to 0 with the wind blowing, I let the glow plugs go for 30 seconds, turned the key, she fires sputterd and died. Let the GP's do their work for another 30 seconds and she fired right up no problems this morning.

I wonder how much better it would have started with a new "high pressure injector pump" and new injectors because of the skip that I have in mine.

Like Jay said Knowledge is Power!
They'd probably drool all over themselves trying to sell me injectors and a pump if they heard mine. It idles damn near like a top-fuel dragster.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 05:27 PM
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Try using 10 to 20 percent RUG. It works.
I usually card the pump and put in about 3 gallons RUG, get the receipt, then card the pump again and put in the diesel and get the other receipt.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by beanhead6D5

EDIT: I really need to give you a ring!Its been a while Bro.
It has been to long man!

Originally Posted by Izzy351
What's sad is how many poor folks get taken with a story like that. Then they bad-mouth the truck... Mine has had O-ring & seal issues that I'm sure would've been sold to me as a new pump, fuel bowl, etc..... Friggin' rip-off artists.....
It is sad Joe. While I was there some guy came in for an oil change, they told him that his trans lines were rotted and he needed brakes very badly. He was to bring his truck in in this morning to have the work done. The guy did not even ask to take a look at the parts that they were saying were bad.

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Good job Jim. Knowledge is power indeed. Thanks for sharing
I hope that someone reads this Jay and it prevents them from getting ripped off.

Originally Posted by Ponyboychris
I guess you could smell the B.S.

That's some brutal temps out your way. Brrrrr.

Thanks for sharing!
From a mile sway man. Very brutal, looking at another foot of snow tomorrow too.

Originally Posted by preppypyro
I love reading threads like this. Its been said many times, but couldnt be said enough, knowledge is power!

Im surprised Ive never had a gellig issue up here, our climate has been known to change up to 40 degrees celcius in a 24 hour time frame. Just last week it was minus 41C with the wind.

What color did ya paint Jl's nails? Surprised no one else asked!
I am suprised too brother, We did pink and blue, every other nail.

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Just found this. Way to go Jim, glad they couldn't get you to buy an injection pump. lol.
I am going to ask Joey for one instead of a T1......... lol

Originally Posted by Izzy351
They'd probably drool all over themselves trying to sell me injectors and a pump if they heard mine. It idles damn near like a top-fuel dragster.
LMAO probably Joe he would be telling you that you need a whole rebuild!
 
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dn29626
Try using 10 to 20 percent RUG. It works.
I usually card the pump and put in about 3 gallons RUG, get the receipt, then card the pump again and put in the diesel and get the other receipt.
What are the thoughts on doing this? I'm assuming RUG is regular unleaded gasoline. If it is, this is something that I definitely wouldn't do. Kerosene or No. 1 yes, but no gas. 'Course, I'm from the old school when we had the Bosch and Rosa Master injection pumps that used fuel for lubrication. Maybe this isn't such a worry now days.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by farmdad
...I'm assuming RUG is regular unleaded gasoline...

...I definitely wouldn't do...
Yes, it is regular unleaded gasoline.
Other than lubrication, what is your concern?

I will guess you also would not run your truck on a high percentage of vegetable oil (vo) which i do and have been since 2003. I have been adding RUG for years.
I typically run 100% vo from March to August.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by megawatt00
This morning it was snowing and close to 0 with the wind blowing, I let the glow plugs go for 30 seconds, turned the key, she fires sputterd and died. Let the GP's do their work for another 30 seconds and she fired right up no problems this morning.
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You got something going on there.I started mine the other day at 0 after sitting 3 weeks.I waited for the GP light to go out,twisted the key and it fired smooth as silk.It did blow just a little blue smoke.It was pretty much stuck where it was sitting in 9" of snow and about 2" of ice but it did start
My kubota was another story,if fired right up and died.Had to put heat lamps on the filter for about an hour to get it to run
 
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 11:25 PM
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Jim,

Glad you were armed with knowledge. My U.S. Air Force SNCO Academy Motto was "Knowledge Is Strength". I feel for people who believe it's okay to rip people off.....lost souls.

Speaking of knowledge, I couldn't help notice many in this thread refer to the colder temps and the "WIND CHILL". Wind Chill is really only for the benefit of living beings. If wind chill affected inanimate objects, airplanes would never be able to fly in cold air. Believe me it's cold between 25,000 - 44,000 ft and above, factor that by going 500+ MPH. Please check out this tidbit of knowledge:

"The human body loses heat largely by evaporation and convection.[1][2] The rate of heat loss by a surface depends on the wind speed above that surface: the faster the wind speed, the more readily the surface cools. For inanimate objects, the effect of wind chill is to reduce any warmer objects to the ambient temperature more quickly. It cannot, however, reduce the temperature of these objects below the ambient temperature, no matter how great the wind velocity. For most biological organisms, the physiological response is to maintain surface temperature in an acceptable range so as to avoid adverse effects. Thus, the attempt to maintain a given surface temperature in an environment of faster heat loss results in both the perception of lower temperatures and an actual greater heat loss increasing the risk of adverse effects such as frostbite and death." Hey Eugene, where are you.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2011 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rbaker6336
You got something going on there.I started mine the other day at 0 after sitting 3 weeks.I waited for the GP light to go out,twisted the key and it fired smooth as silk.It did blow just a little blue smoke.It was pretty much stuck where it was sitting in 9" of snow and about 2" of ice but it did start
My kubota was another story,if fired right up and died.Had to put heat lamps on the filter for about an hour to get it to run
I was thinking that my glow plugs may be on the week side or there may be a little air trapped in the system. When I left work yesterday as soon as the WTS light went out she fired right up. I will see what it does this am.

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Jim,

Glad you were armed with knowledge. My U.S. Air Force SNCO Academy Motto was "Knowledge Is Strength". I feel for people who believe it's okay to rip people off.....lost souls.

Speaking of knowledge, I couldn't help notice many in this thread refer to the colder temps and the "WIND CHILL". Wind Chill is really only for the benefit of living beings. If wind chill affected inanimate objects, airplanes would never be able to fly in cold air. Believe me it's cold between 25,000 - 44,000 ft and above, factor that by going 500+ MPH. Please check out this tidbit of knowledge:

"The human body loses heat largely by evaporation and convection.[1][2] The rate of heat loss by a surface depends on the wind speed above that surface: the faster the wind speed, the more readily the surface cools. For inanimate objects, the effect of wind chill is to reduce any warmer objects to the ambient temperature more quickly. It cannot, however, reduce the temperature of these objects below the ambient temperature, no matter how great the wind velocity. For most biological organisms, the physiological response is to maintain surface temperature in an acceptable range so as to avoid adverse effects. Thus, the attempt to maintain a given surface temperature in an environment of faster heat loss results in both the perception of lower temperatures and an actual greater heat loss increasing the risk of adverse effects such as frostbite and death." Hey Eugene, where are you.
Very good post Les!
 
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Old Jan 26, 2011 | 05:24 AM
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Jim,

Did you or the so called "mechanics" (if they could be called that) check the screen on the fuel pump?
 
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Old Jan 26, 2011 | 08:37 AM
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Jim,

Did you or the so called "mechanics" (if they could be called that) check the screen on the fuel pump?
Not as of yet Rich. I would not let them do any more than what they had to do, and it has been to cold here to even think about laying under the truck to do that. Plus they a re calling for another 8" to 12" of wet heavy snow for tonight. I am going to drop the tank and do the intank mods as soon as I can.
 
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