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After being SUGARED?
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After being SUGARED?
So should I be worried about cleaning my valves? taking my heads off? what else if anything besides cleaning the tanks and lines should I be worried about doing?
Ive had one guy tell me that I needed to find out what caused the valve to mess up and to basically go through the hole engine and clean it..... I really dont want to have to do all that.......
The valve is free.
Whats eveyones thoughts?
Ive had one guy tell me that I needed to find out what caused the valve to mess up and to basically go through the hole engine and clean it..... I really dont want to have to do all that.......
The valve is free.
Whats eveyones thoughts?
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You gotta remember that even though sugar doesn't dissolve in fuel, it does travel through the system in granule form and does get deposited in your valves in granule form. Additionally, while it may not dissolve in fuel, it does dissolve in water, and there is the possibility that there is water in your fuel system. The granules that make it through your pick up tube sock and your fuel filter will end up in your valves, and will get heated up and melt and will stick together to form bigger clumps of basically caramel. These clumps may stay semi liquid while your engine is running, but when they cool they will either crystalize or turn in to a sludge, regardless, you will continue to bend/break pushrods until it is all out of your system, or until you clean your system. Again, really sorry that this has happened to you, but don't compound the problem by taking short cuts. Also, does your auto insurance company have a clause for this?
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There isn't any way for sugar to get to the valves of the direct injector diesel. The fuel never touches the valves as its injector straight into the combustion chamber just before top dead center. There would be no way for non-dissolved sugar to be injected into the cylinder because it would not make it past the filter and if it did it stop when it got to the injector.
I haven't really followed what happen to you truck but sounds like you had a bent pushrod?
I haven't really followed what happen to you truck but sounds like you had a bent pushrod?
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Story of happenings-I was cursing along at about 45mph and out of no where I start hearing the engine makeing a very loud popping noise that was coming back through the intake, so i quickly pulled off and cut the engine. I have heard this noise before when i was replaceing my injector orings and didnt have a rocker arm tighten all the way. Also about two days ago I came out of the gym and noticed my fuel cap was off...... and I'm pretty sure I did not leave it that way. So all ive had time to do is take my fuel filter off and drain the fuel bowl. Of course theres deffinity something in there, fuel filter is coated in a brown greasy film and on the bottom of the fuel bowl there is more of the substance, covering the whole bottom atleats cm or two thick (brown on top and then silver on the bottom). The acual fuel had a blueish tint to it. Anyone know what this could be? And does it make sense that the substance could gum up a vavle and cause the popping back throught the intake?
updated- broke push rod
Story of happenings-I was cursing along at about 45mph and out of no where I start hearing the engine makeing a very loud popping noise that was coming back through the intake, so i quickly pulled off and cut the engine. I have heard this noise before when i was replaceing my injector orings and didnt have a rocker arm tighten all the way. Also about two days ago I came out of the gym and noticed my fuel cap was off...... and I'm pretty sure I did not leave it that way. So all ive had time to do is take my fuel filter off and drain the fuel bowl. Of course theres deffinity something in there, fuel filter is coated in a brown greasy film and on the bottom of the fuel bowl there is more of the substance, covering the whole bottom atleats cm or two thick (brown on top and then silver on the bottom). The acual fuel had a blueish tint to it. Anyone know what this could be? And does it make sense that the substance could gum up a vavle and cause the popping back throught the intake?
updated- broke push rod
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I would remove and clean the filter housing very good, drain the tanks as best that you can, blow air back through both lines to both tanks, install new filter and see if that crap comes back.
Pray to god it wasn't sugar. Figure on a new set of injectors if it was. NEW not reman, they will be 100% trashed if it was sugar. Seen it several times before.
Start with the cheap easy basics, and if there is garbage (sugar) in the fuel than the damage is already done.
Pray to god it wasn't sugar. Figure on a new set of injectors if it was. NEW not reman, they will be 100% trashed if it was sugar. Seen it several times before.
Start with the cheap easy basics, and if there is garbage (sugar) in the fuel than the damage is already done.
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I hope I was wrong about the sugar but I doubt it. When fuel got to 5 bucks a gallon a while back there was a lot of fuel thefts here but I haven't seen it yet. That's not saying it didn't happen though.
I think I would at minimum change the fuel right now and the filter and see how it runs. Like was already said if it was sugar the damage is already done. you're not going to hurt anything else by doing it. Hopefully that stuff on the filter was just left over oil in the tanks from your o rings. Hopefully. It really sounds like sugar though. I used to see so much of that living in Memphis. People all carry guns down here so........
Just one theory, you could have hydrolocked the cylinder that pushrod was bent on. Maybe do a compression check on that one after you get it running. I think I would. It could be lots of things, cracked cup, dripping injector, I don't know. Since it did it running down the road I just don't know. That's just weird.
I think I would at minimum change the fuel right now and the filter and see how it runs. Like was already said if it was sugar the damage is already done. you're not going to hurt anything else by doing it. Hopefully that stuff on the filter was just left over oil in the tanks from your o rings. Hopefully. It really sounds like sugar though. I used to see so much of that living in Memphis. People all carry guns down here so........
Just one theory, you could have hydrolocked the cylinder that pushrod was bent on. Maybe do a compression check on that one after you get it running. I think I would. It could be lots of things, cracked cup, dripping injector, I don't know. Since it did it running down the road I just don't know. That's just weird.
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may I suggest the motorcraft FC1004 locking gas cap for when you get this sorted out. there are others out there from Stant but i like this one because it attaches to the truck. (cant get left on the bed side or on top of the pump)
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Man this sucks. I couldn't image anything like this happening, but I guess there are people that will take things to that level.
Would insurance cover something like this? I remember a few years ago someone had dumped sugar in a couple of tractors around here. I'm pretty sure his insurance footed the bills on the equipment. When we start talking injectors you start taking about a lot of $$$.
Would insurance cover something like this? I remember a few years ago someone had dumped sugar in a couple of tractors around here. I'm pretty sure his insurance footed the bills on the equipment. When we start talking injectors you start taking about a lot of $$$.