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Question: What are your opinions in why Ford is limiting the release of the big 6.2L in their F150 trim levels. As you know, it is only available in limited F150 versions for 2011.
I do not 100 percent agree that it is only because of the fuel economy thing. There must be other reasons. I believe that all the four new engine releases will all burn lots of gas, some a little more or less than others, but marginally. Let's face it, we're talking trucks and they need lots of gas to go.
I do not 100 percent agree that it is only because of the fuel economy thing. There must be other reasons. I believe that all the four new engine releases will all burn lots of gas, some a little more or less than others, but marginally. Let's face it, we're talking trucks and they need lots of gas to go.
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Common sense does not prevail to the Feds/EPA, they only care about overall fleet fuel mileage, since Ford sells less of the premium level trucks they can limit the amount of 6.2s out there and not make their numbers look bad. The EPA has some ridiculous guidelines, in just a few years they want the trucks getting 28 MPG.
The EPA has neutered my locomotives too, we used to have 6500 HP engines, now we are only allowed 4400 HP. Instead of 2 Locomotives for a 32,000,000 lb grain train, I need 4.
The EPA has neutered my locomotives too, we used to have 6500 HP engines, now we are only allowed 4400 HP. Instead of 2 Locomotives for a 32,000,000 lb grain train, I need 4.
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Think of the 6.2L as a way to ensure high profitability. It's limited availability will only enter the higher end models that guaranty higher profits. I think it's smart business. GM is doing the same thing with their 6.2L.
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I don't think it's just about profitability. I think Matts72 hit it right on the head by referring to the EPA and CAFE laws.
Federal law requires that each car company maintain a certain average MPG for their vehicles by category. Ford simply can't produce 100% of their F150s with this engine, as the 12/16 fuel economy figure would make that illegal. They can only make very few otherwise they face steep fines for making inefficient vehicles.
Limiting the top engine to the higher trim levels has always been a GM thing. I think Ford was faced with a choice of doing this or not offering it at all. In this case I'm glad we at least have the option!
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It's probably also got to do with the fact that Ford is REALLY pushing the EcoBoost. They've made it one of their "premium" engine offerings and they have it as one of two engines available with the Max Trailer Tow Package. If they made the 6.2 available across the board in every trim level, too many folks would choose it versus the EcoBoost and they want to see a high "take rate" on the EcoBoost.
It is strange though that you can't get the 6.2 with the King Ranch but you can with the Lariat and Platinum.
It is strange though that you can't get the 6.2 with the King Ranch but you can with the Lariat and Platinum.
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I guess Ford needs to update their site and order guides then. I was on the Ford site a few minutes ago and when you try to select the 6.2 with the KR, it tells you that you have to select Lariat in order to get it.
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The 2011 F-150 Order Guide (09/03/10) lists that the 5.0L is the standard motor and 3.5L EcoBoost is optional in the King Ranch. The 6.2L is only listed as an option in the Platinum, and as a standard motor in the Harley-Davidson & Lariat Limited trim/package levels. (It is a bit vague about whether or not it is an option in a "standard" Lariat.)
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This is a widle held belief thats not accurate.
For example MY10-11 I could get a 6.2L in the equal of a XLT with a 6.2L, as long as I get the max payload pkg.
Ford you have to go up to a Lariat (and max tow) to get our 6.2L.
Some will argue the EB is =/+ to a GM 6.2L... but that would be speculation at this point given there have been no direct 3rd party comparisons. I think given the F150s other advantages, its a mute point.
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Its all about CAFE numbers (Corporate Average Fuel Economy). Sell less of your large V8's, avoid the gas guzzler tax, and sell enough high MPG vehicles to offset the ones that burn alot of fuel (hence the limited number of 6.2s being offered in light duty trucks).
Honestly, I'd like to see more 5.0s, once they start hitting the wreckers, you'll see that motor used for more swaps. Its so much more developed than the 6.2 seems to be.
Honestly, I'd like to see more 5.0s, once they start hitting the wreckers, you'll see that motor used for more swaps. Its so much more developed than the 6.2 seems to be.
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The 2011 F-150 Order Guide (09/03/10) lists that the 5.0L is the standard motor and 3.5L EcoBoost is optional in the King Ranch. The 6.2L is only listed as an option in the Platinum, and as a standard motor in the Harley-Davidson & Lariat Limited trim/package levels. (It is a bit vague about whether or not it is an option in a "standard" Lariat.)
On EDIT: Looks like we've got the same order guide. Look at page 12 in the engine availability section. It shows the 6.2 available in the Lariat as an option on the Supercrew.
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Yeah, I noticed that. Hence, part of my comment about a bit of vagueness in regards to a Lariat. The other part is that if you build a Lariat on Ford's build & price, you can get a 6.2L for a SuperCrew with the 5.5' box, but as soon as you try to change it to a "long" (6.5') box, it forces you back to the 5.0L. That just seems....weird.
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Yeah, I remember when they first announced the engine lineup. They said then that the 6.2 was available only with the 5.5' bed on the SCrew. The only thing I can think of would be the weight difference but even that can't be that much....or I wouldn't think so anyway. I guess trying to keep curb weight down to maximize payload / tongue weight available? I dunno.