ok, i'm not going to agure with you on this. All i'm saying is there are people out there that drive those kinds of miles without having problems. Tex25025 is one of them that comes to mind. He pulls his horses all over the place, with 500+hp, and have a ton of miles and still runs all of his orginal egr system. You are speaking form your point of view, and because your truck has had bad luck with egr system (probably due to maintance issue) you assume that there is no way that it can function properly for extended miles.
I will assume you meant 80-100 miles not 100k. If you really drove that much you would be way over 350k by now. Furthermore, you are not the only one that drives those kind of miles. There are millions of people out there driving as much or more than you, that pull as much or more than you, that have NEVER had an egr issue.

 

I am in this camp as well.

 

Not going to argue with me on this one?? WOW! It was never and argument, it was my opinion, until you shredded it.

You are speaking from your point of view? What, all three of them! Wait, you are a 6.0L Guru and in your infinite wisdom you deleted your EGR. Has to be the best way, right? Hold on now you recommend the bullet proof system, after market, because the factory one is junk right? No, hold on again, you know tons of people likeTex25025 the drive tons of miles and his is just fine, nothing wrong with it at all, stick with the factory EGR?? Make tons of sense? The choice is clear! Are you kidding me?

But that’s not all; you even know how we maintain our truck, EGR Failure “Probably due to maintenance issues”?

Maybe some more of your guessing? Want to talk about maintenance, we tow commercially and are subject to level 1 DOT inspections at every weight station, we get inspected multiple time per week by inspectors just looking for a reason to take our equipment out of service. We have to keep our equipment maintained in perfect order, we can’t afford to break down, PM is paramount for our business.

“You assume that there is no way that it can function properly for extended miles.”

Hello?? Our truck is used commercial and fleet maintained and you are clueless to its maintenance history. How can you make that statement?

“ I will assume you meant 80-100 miles not 100k. If you really drove that much you would be way over 350k by now.”

Good Guess again, but wrong. We purchased our used about 3 1/2 years ago with 29k miles, so we in fact drive 80,000 to 100,000 miles per year commercially pulling a 5th wheel trailer the entire time, so the truck does get extreme use. Not light recreational towing like 5k per year maybe?

“Furthermore, you are not the only one that drives those kind of miles. There are millions of people out there driving as much or more than you, that pull as much or more than you, that have NEVER had an egr issue.”

I am sure you know each and every one of them personally? Could this be another one of you well documented theories or just another guess?

My opinion is the delete is the best way, fact based on having to replace three of them. So unless money is not an issue and you don’t care if you break down, then go factory or aftermarket. If you just need your truck to run well and never want to look back at it again, delete it.

 

NEMOTORCARS -

Certainly a properly deleted EGR system will most likely not cause you issues again - in this area. But that does not mean that the EGR system can not be made reliable. There are a number of people here that tow quite a bit with their EGR system intact and with high horsepower tunes and do not have problems. I agree that they are in the 100k - 150k mile range, so they have not demonstrated the HIGH mileage that you have. However, they have no indication of issues that would make them believe that your kind of mileage is not possible. I guess that is not hundreds of data points, but if it can be done by one, it can be done by the majority (IMO anyway). I belive that you can certainly have "fluke failures" in vehicles, but it is hard to have "fluke reliability".

Texans is speaking from the background of his experience and this forum's input from users and techs. It is a fairly extensive base of information. Who knows if it is more or less than yours, but it is certainly more extensive than operating even a 10 or 12 vehicle fleet. One of the key things (I assume) that puts him in the camp of "keeping the egr system" is a thread where several techs have posted up on the subject. In that thread, they tell us that they have observed cases where deleted egr systems have caused the cooling fan to not operate properly. This can clearly be an issue that has significant consequences. This was a big factor for me to decide to keep my egr system anyway.

The maintenance that Texans describes is most likely centered around the coolant system. We (and all the other 12+ 6.0L forums) all talk about coolant system flushes every 50k miles. Few people do that, especially commercial fleet owners that are trying to be frugal. Another important maintenance issue is the use the proper coolant and adding a filter. Also in the discussion of maintenance and reliability is the importance of watching the temperature difference between the coolant and the oil. Lastly, when you add "testing the coolant for nitrites" you generally don't find folks that do this. If you do these things, then great, but most new comers to the forum do not.

It is always a plus to have fleet owners and operators AND commercial users on the forum. Please do not take any of the posts personally. I know Texans did not mean it that way. He was no doubt responding to your last statement in post #15 where you say that you have seen every issue possible with the 6.0L. That comes across as a pretty bold statement that tends to initiate bold responses. Anyway, stick with us, it is a great place!

 

egr coolers.... well Ive seen stock one last for 100k. ive seen them fail @17k. we dont see many of the round 03 type coolers fail.
the coolers made by bullet proof are very well made. If I had a need a fleet to remain stock in form this is were I would look.
complete delete kits can fail too. they can still leak coolant, externaly , but if we are counting fails its still counts.
as to what the right awnser is... thats for you to awnser for your own needs. all you can do is take the advise , opinions and facts and pick from there.

 

Just a side note:

The EGR failures are a thing of the past from many different causes.

If you were to reset the clock with,

- complete VC-9 flush (an iron cleaner)

- Install coolant filter

- Maintain coolant properly (50k changes, nitrite test)

- Then replace EGR cooler (the BulletProofDiesel one is widely recommended)

- Replace Oil cooler.

There should be no more failures.


When I first bought the 6.0, (a bit more than a year ago) the consensus was this vehicle was so bad it is in need of $10,000 of mods.

Well, that is just not true.

Improperly maintained, even $10,000 might not be enough.

 

sorry thats just opinion and not fact Im in the shop dayu in day out still doing them on a regular basis .
I will say its like 5:1 fleet vs normal guy

 

I don't do any of that...

But I do have a very well equipped set of labs and engineers and technicians within a 15 minute walk.

And within 2 hours, more auto engineers and suppliers than I know what to do with.

Funny what you can find out just by asking.

 

do you need pictures
I guess thats just what I see here in one shop in texas dallas / ft worth metro and the ratio just doesnt hold up in canada.
may the fail rates here are caused by all the gun powder in the air here.

 

LOL!

Old cheese!

I am almost certain that the failure rate is higher because of higher thermal stress in them southern climes --- and the fact that fewer people up here are using the 6.0 to tow overweight trailers.

What we gain in less thermal stress... we lose in severe salt corrosion issues.

You should see the brake / undercarriage / exhaust / etc. repair bills I have.

Oh.. the factory muffler split its seams from rust.

 

I said this because of the way you came across with the "how much do you tow? Oh, well I tow yad yad yad everyday". Like your better than me, and everyone else on this forum.

I'm speaking from my point of view on this, as well as many on this site. There are some really good techs on here that have access to things that we don't such as the IDS. I beleaved like you that delete was the only way to go if you have to work on the egr cooler. Not because I ever had problem, but because of the problem that people have had. So I decided to just go ahead and do the delete. I don't think deletes are a bad thing still to this day, but because of things learned by techs (after I already did my delete), such as the coolant fan WON'T operate correctly, I don't recomend doing a delete anymore. As far as the bullet proof vs the stock one goes. I never said I like the stock one. I only brought up Tex because he is one of the people that know does some of the same type driving as you and he is still on a factory system. I like the bullet proof setup. At the time of my delete they just weren't around long enough or had enough out there for me to try them. Now they are pretty proven in my mind. So that is why I recomend to people stick with the egr system, if your cooler goes out, replace it with a bullet proof, and new oil cooler. If techs are still finding out today different effects of not haveing an egr. What are they going to find tomrrow?

I'm not saying you due or don't maintain your truck right. If you do all that bismic talked about in post # 19 above(most people don't know about doing this), then you are good in that aspect. Anouther thing is due you let it idle for extended periods of time? Change the oil at or before 7500 miles? Do you let the truck get to operating temps before you work it real hard? Yes that can be done even when pulling a 18k trailer. I do it with my 18k trailer. As far as DOT they are not checking things like this, so that is really irrealavant to this subject. Although they may start checking for the egr system in the future.

WTH does a commercial fleet have anything to do with my statement that you are speaking from your own opion that an egr system just won't function properly for more than a few thousand miles, Just because yours wouldn't.

I said that because of the way you said it "I drive 80-100k 5-6 times a week." That sure sounds to me like your saying you drive that drive 5-6 times a week. I can see the 80-100k a year and on the road 5-6 days a week, but the way you stated that really doesn't come across like that. So I stand corrected on that one. I used to drive 60-80k a year 7 days a week, no days off.

I never stated that I know every one of them. I have been around the 6.0 forums for along time, and have talked to lots people about there jobs, there driving habbits, what they use there truck for, and what not.

Again, you are stating this based on the fact of your truck, and your truck alone. You are not doing any research to see if maybe it's something your doing, or maybe you just got a bad truck. To say "oh, I had to replace three of them. So it's fact that they are crap, and you should get rid of them. What light is not turning on in your head to see that maybe, just maybe there are others out there that do run the egr system with 200k+ without any problems. Oh, wait I forgot your d*** is bigger than everyone else right? Your the only one that tows commercialy with a 6.0 right?

 

Hi, I am new to this forum. I have a 07 F350 PSD and the EGR + EP issues on occasion. I just pop the valve and the Exhaust Back pressure sensor and clean it all up. I think my issues are from to much idle time. I am on my 2nd Back pressure sensor and 2nd EGR valve. With that said and over 200k light to heavy hauling. I love this truck. I keep on top of everything and check everything... and I mean everything each week. But I enjoy doing that. I did do a little underbody extra to keep the rust away. My muffler and connections are painted with silver engine enamel paint and I use Rhino coating under the truck. All points near the back side of a tire have double coatings. I live in the mid west so Salt is our way of life in the winter. My beef ... Radio's ... how many years has Ford got the Radio CD players wrong? But man ... I love this truck. I have 2 GMC’s K1500 and Yukon XL and 3 Fords, Explorer, F350 and Windstar. I think Ford makes a better technical product than GMC and they do not use the government as a bank. I enjoy everyones input and professional discussions. Thanks

 

Nice first post brewerhaus.

 

so i changed the icp sensor and it still stalls out. goin to call dealer to re flash the ficm maybe that will help it out? help help

 

So is it cranking, but not starting now? Starting but won't stay running? Where are you having the problem at? If it starts and runs for awhile then once it warms up it dies I would start looking into the HPO system. If it is starting, but won't stay running I don't think a reflash is going to help you any.