No worries on you not wanting to "pray to the DP gods". There is more than just DP. There are some great guys on here running PHP tunes and TW tunes too. Any of those 3 are great choices. I had my reasons for going with DP. But you don't see me coming on here telling everybody that they are wrong because I know a guy who knew some guys who had some issues

 

Well, if Mr. Lund provides the support, you may have a lot more luck. Heck, he can probably even customize the tunes on it to your liking.

My post is from real-world experience, and not trying to bash anyone. My screen name in the Predator Diesel forum is the same as here; look up the posts if you want. My DP tunes are in my signature; I'm not trying to make a 1/4 mile burner out of this thing. 90% of my usage is 80E tune; 10% is the 60T. I have used the 120R less than 10 times and 1 hour in 2-1/2 years..... mainly a "fun tune" and to smoke some idiot that did something to desrve it.....

As for the "more power, who says it's a good thing?" part of your post, my guess is you do; otherwise, why get a tuner?

I hope you enjoy the Predator, and can deal with someone besides the factory on support issues.

Best of luck!!!

 

I am too, for my Lightning.

Greggs less than stellar rep comes not because of his builds, but rather from Jasper, whom he sold the MB build to, as you know.

If you look at my sig Terry, you can see what trans is in my L right now, still going strong.

As you know Beef, just about any tuner will have their detractors. Even at NLOC, where Johnny seems to reign supreme, there are factions within that will never have him tune their L.

Remember when that one guy who was a HUGE JLP cheerleader had his L go up in flames, and he ended up blaming Johnny's engine build?

It doesn't matter where you go, some people will always just dislike tuners and builders and can justify why. In some circles, JDM is disliked, JJ seems to be really disliked at NLOC, but loved at Lightning Rodder, and Mark at LFP seems be very polarizing, with some that dislike and the rest that love.

Jody at DP Tuner tuned my Excursion a little over 4 years ago, if memory serves me correctly. He also tuned my F250 two years ago. Both vehicles are going strong and my little 'ole 2-wheel drive F250 has been doing really well at the NHRDA Division 2 points races the last two years.

I swear by Jody's tuning ability. But like I said, everyone will have their detractors.

Handheld flash tuners aren't popular with the 7.3 crowd like they are for the L boys. Chips with several tunes available with the switch of a button or turn of a **** are the cats meow for us 7.3 owners.

I'm not familiar with Lund but I believe he's well known in Mustang circles, no?

Just like Sal was for L's (before he retired), and JDM, JLP, and JJ are for L's.

And just like DP-Tuner, PHP, Tony Wildman, Cale at BTS, and Swamps is for our trucks.

Each platform has their cream of the crop tuners, and here at FTE, Jody is the most popular. Jody has attended our get-together events and is a good person who will try and help anyone, so some of us can be protective of him. I'm sure you can understand that.

It's always good to identify what you want, and as long as you're satisfied with the results, then you're golden. All the peeps here are trying to do is let you know the most popular, tried and true methods for attaining not just your goals and objectives, but also letting you know the versatility of going with a chip (over a handheld) and how much better it can be for you.

Pete, I love you and you know you're my bro, but I think you need to re-read Terry's posts buddy. He may be taking a different route than most of us, and his route may not produce the most optimum results, but they'll more than likely be enough for him. Plus, he hasn't really said we're doing it the wrong way, and his way is right. He's just qualifying why he's doing some things, and not others.

Custom tuning and line pressure in the 4R100 has been beaten to death and argued over on the L boards. When I came here, I was VERY surprised to see it wasn't even discussed, much less argued about.

Terry, I know you come from a world of speed. I remember when you first starting posting after you got your Lightning. I blinked and the next thing I know, you broke the 10 second barrier with your L. Now it's Mustangs, and I know you had a Hayabusa too. Not sure if you ever raced it, but I'm saying, I know you're very familiar with speed and how to go faster on several different platforms.

Here in the 7.3L world, your objective isn't speed and we understand that. Just please keep in mind, we're trying to pass on to you the methods that we know work REALLY well for the 7.3L platform.

Even Pete's trying to help.

You're doing things differently, but in the end, if you're happy, that's what matters. We're just trying to let you know the path has already been blazed, and it's an easy road to follow. But if you wanna blaze a different path, just understand we're trying to let you know you don't have to if you don't want to.

Stewart

 

Omg you mentioned Sal. He was so beloved on nloc. I had a 93 L with a kenne bell and put some bigger injectors in with a mass air conversion. I drove all the way to long island and spent a day custom tuning with him. I ended up with a poor running truck that was slower and less mpg. He was unimpressive. My story is over there on the forum somewhere. Yet tons him people hailed him.

 

You just perfectly illustrated my post Keith, thank you!

Everyone will have people that love 'em, and they'll also have their detractors.

We now know Keith is not in the "Love 'Em" camp for Sal, LOL.

For what it's worth Keith, another L buddy of mine never really thought much of Sal's tuning either, even though Sal dyno tuned my truck.

Stewart

 

Stewart, I'd rep you but I'm in jail

 

Have a seat over there

 

I can't rep you either, need to spread some around later.

I should have ran when I saw a 40ish year old man named Sal Manella (seriously) who lived with his parents come out of the house sporting a mullet and an old AC/DC t-shirt and ripped jeans. But I try not to judge because you never know what a man's been through; he was a nice person. In this particular case however, I got exactly what I feared I was going to get. I ended up ripping his mass air kit off and sold it; went back to the 19# injectors and FMU and was happy for quite a while, but with a slightly lighter wallet. He wanted to keep sending me new programs, but I could see the forest through the trees, he was so far off it wasn't going to happen. Wish I still had that truck.

Sorry for the hi-jack. But this thread was going nowhere anyway.

 

I was thinking the same thing. I'm curious to see how his tuning goes. I can't blame him for going with a guy that can tune it and is local. I wish Tony was a lot closer than 1/2 way across the country.

 

It's actually Mennella, but yeah, I had the same reaction when I heard his full name for the first time!

Stewart

 

Very good and intelligent post, appreciate the response. That's the king of feedback I like.

Definately miss sal, I was talking to Dan from dynojet at PRI who is also good friends with Sal and we were talking old stuff. Dan still talks to Sal on a regular basis.

I've read some of the Jasper stuff with Gregg, but he's never let me down. And thats why I went that route. Not to mention the fact the rebuild cost he charged me was probably 1/3 of what anyone else would have done.

Jon was actually a cofounder of Innovative Diesel years ago. So He is very familiar with them, just sticks mainly to the Mustang Crowd these days.

Hopefully his setup does me fine. Not looking for a ton, but a lil more is always nice!!!

I used to use flip chips with the L and the 04 cobras too, but i've grown to like the flashers. I also like the ability to have some control over paramaters in the tune as well.

We'll see how she does.

Def had my time on a busa as well, had 4 of em total, one being turbo'd 8 second bike.

some high speed runs too.

 

Loaded the 85 tune yesterday. Only hit a few times, but definately felt better, throttle response felt better as well.

Trying to figure out what all the logging parameter breakdowns are.

There are a crap load of things you can watch in real time. I really like that.

I have been getting a 1211, injector pressure high or low, but it says thats normal with a tuned vehicle. gonna have to see if there is a way to permanently turn it off.

My buddy picked one up too for the 2001 I just sold him. He said he tried the 110 and got a little pinging, loaded the 85 and it seemed to like it alot.

I'll probably stick with the 85.

Now i'm thinking i need to go to the track, lol.

 

The 1211 code is normal with most tuners. Some of the custom tunes can be written to turn down the sensitivity before it trips the code.

"pinging"? Is he referring to detonation that you get in gas motors? As far as I know, the way a diesel (compression ignition) works, there isn't really the probability of that. I may be wrong. Besides, with the noise these things make, how could you hear it? What he may be hearing is just a change in injector noise as the pulse width is changed for the higher tunes.

 

The predator said it was a normal code, before you even check the codes, lol.

As far as pinging, i'm not sure. He said he thought it was detonating. He said it kicked out some nice smoke and took off but felt like it was detonating. I'll have to ask him.

It's my first diesel, so not sure how they react as compared to gas motors.

 

They definitely don't ping/detonate like our L's do when the tune is wrong (too much timing/octane too low, etc).

I wish you lived closer Beef. I'd like to give you a ride in my truck, even though I only have AC code injectors (Stage 1 single shots). I think you'd like the ride compared to stock!

P1211, P0478, and P0238 are the three most common codes tripped with a custom tuned 7.3L.

Stewart