How was this done???
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Theres quite a few guys who have done it.
Its atleast as heavy duty as a F150 front end. The CV's weigh 4500 lbs.
There will be plenty parts for it for the next 20 years.
Big brakes compared to a M2 set-up
Plus in LA I can get them for $350-$400
Its atleast as heavy duty as a F150 front end. The CV's weigh 4500 lbs.
There will be plenty parts for it for the next 20 years.
Big brakes compared to a M2 set-up
Plus in LA I can get them for $350-$400
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From: PHX AZ
Thats totally false! The aim's will give you a full 1" more drop than the DJM junk.
They will also give you more caster.
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From: Glendale Arizona
Theres quite a few guys who have done it.
Really? Who? and how long is the truck on the highway? A bump side has the same frame profile but the slick is about three inches narrower at the fenders. The Bumpside is 78 inches in between the fenders and a slick is 75 inches
Its at least as heavy duty as a F150 front end. The CV's weigh 4500 lbs.
Not even close fella. The CV stock front rating is 1000# less than a comparable 65 F100. Front Rating is about 2000# where as a F100 is 3000#. Do not forget about how a truck does weight transfer under braking. and a dressed 2004 CV is 4068#
There will be plenty parts for it for the next 20 years.
But ZERO aftermarket support.
Big brakes compared to a M2 set-up
Give you this one. However Baer can set you up with huge disc and pucks for the MII if you have the scratch.
Plus in LA I can get them for $350-$400
Really? Who? and how long is the truck on the highway? A bump side has the same frame profile but the slick is about three inches narrower at the fenders. The Bumpside is 78 inches in between the fenders and a slick is 75 inches
Its at least as heavy duty as a F150 front end. The CV's weigh 4500 lbs.
Not even close fella. The CV stock front rating is 1000# less than a comparable 65 F100. Front Rating is about 2000# where as a F100 is 3000#. Do not forget about how a truck does weight transfer under braking. and a dressed 2004 CV is 4068#
There will be plenty parts for it for the next 20 years.
But ZERO aftermarket support.
Big brakes compared to a M2 set-up
Give you this one. However Baer can set you up with huge disc and pucks for the MII if you have the scratch.
Plus in LA I can get them for $350-$400
Everyone says it is easy. But there are Zero support experts out there. What is the angle of the radius rod required to be at ride height? Just what material needs to handle the 30,000#s of braking inertial forces exerted on this mount. Will 18 Gauge cut it?
And what about the cast cross member and integral spring perch. There is no gap between the front framing of the CV body structure, but there is when applied to a F100 frame. Who did the calc's on the stresses incurred at the base under compression and braking?
In the car this all ties together in to a rigid structure. On a F100 it ties on to a flexing structure. I can imagine the apoplexy on the part of an engineer calculating the stresses incurred.
The CV is also 63.4 inches in track where the F100 is 60 inches for a 61 to 64. The rears are even wider at 65.5 inches.
As you can tell i am not sold on the CV swap, The cars have been on the market for a bit with the panther suspension and none of the aftermarket builders of suspension companies have touched it for a conversion. There must be a reason.
Please provide me solid engineered means and methods to sell me on it.
Garbz
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If the CV can be engineered correctly and Safe it will be the cats meow. However all the work currently done is by home builders. Plus the width turns off anyone looking for nostalgia looks as the rim choice is severely limited.
The MII has about the same ratings in aftermarket trim with tubular A arrms and heavy duty bushings. Problem with them is they hammer the bushings out in a short time in real world driving as the geometry is a compromise.
And i am also not a fan of the drop beams as you are 100 percent stuck with the caster and camber they give you. I like a bit of latitude in setup.
I have been thinking of picking up a wrecked CV and doing a swap on to my 64 with some narrower tubular A arms, Devise a rear mount to pick up the stock point and reinforcement. I can have Steve run it through Alibre modeling and see what happens. He happens to agree it would be awesome if it was not so friggin wide.
I am off. Be back tomorrow afternoon.
Garbz
The MII has about the same ratings in aftermarket trim with tubular A arrms and heavy duty bushings. Problem with them is they hammer the bushings out in a short time in real world driving as the geometry is a compromise.
And i am also not a fan of the drop beams as you are 100 percent stuck with the caster and camber they give you. I like a bit of latitude in setup.
I have been thinking of picking up a wrecked CV and doing a swap on to my 64 with some narrower tubular A arms, Devise a rear mount to pick up the stock point and reinforcement. I can have Steve run it through Alibre modeling and see what happens. He happens to agree it would be awesome if it was not so friggin wide.
I am off. Be back tomorrow afternoon.
Garbz
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From: Glendale Arizona
Yes the aerostar is, and even has a weight rating comparable to a truck. But it is buttass ugly....But will work and keep the truck just a bit below stock height.
Bad side is there is again Zero aftermarket support for it.
Garbz
Bad side is there is again Zero aftermarket support for it.
Garbz
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Good Price. But what is the true cost of a total install?
Everyone says it is easy. But there are Zero support experts out there. What is the angle of the radius rod required to be at ride height? Just what material needs to handle the 30,000#s of braking inertial forces exerted on this mount. Will 18 Gauge cut it?
Depends on You. I could do it for less then 500 with out scrounging.
And what about the cast cross member and integral spring perch. There is no gap between the front framing of the CV body structure, but there is when applied to a F100 frame. Who did the calc's on the stresses incurred at the base under compression and braking?
Look at the CV frame not much different.
In the car this all ties together in to a rigid structure. On a F100 it ties on to a flexing structure. I can imagine the apoplexy on the part of an engineer calculating the stresses incurred.
The F100 doesn't flex that much to effect 18 linear inches of the frame in such a way to destroy a cast aluminum structure designed for police duty.
The CV is also 63.4 inches in track where the F100 is 60 inches for a 61 to 64. The rears are even wider at 65.5 inches.
Compromises are everywhere. If its perfect it doesn't exist.
As you can tell i am not sold on the CV swap, The cars have been on the market for a bit with the panther suspension and none of the aftermarket builders of suspension companies have touched it for a conversion. There must be a reason.
Theres no aftermarket conversions for less then 5K that is anywhere close to the CV swap.
Please provide me solid engineered means and methods to sell me on it.
Well your on a board for a 40+ year old trucks show me the solid engineering that your truck is still road worthy.
Garbz
Everyone says it is easy. But there are Zero support experts out there. What is the angle of the radius rod required to be at ride height? Just what material needs to handle the 30,000#s of braking inertial forces exerted on this mount. Will 18 Gauge cut it?
Depends on You. I could do it for less then 500 with out scrounging.
And what about the cast cross member and integral spring perch. There is no gap between the front framing of the CV body structure, but there is when applied to a F100 frame. Who did the calc's on the stresses incurred at the base under compression and braking?
Look at the CV frame not much different.
In the car this all ties together in to a rigid structure. On a F100 it ties on to a flexing structure. I can imagine the apoplexy on the part of an engineer calculating the stresses incurred.
The F100 doesn't flex that much to effect 18 linear inches of the frame in such a way to destroy a cast aluminum structure designed for police duty.
The CV is also 63.4 inches in track where the F100 is 60 inches for a 61 to 64. The rears are even wider at 65.5 inches.
Compromises are everywhere. If its perfect it doesn't exist.
As you can tell i am not sold on the CV swap, The cars have been on the market for a bit with the panther suspension and none of the aftermarket builders of suspension companies have touched it for a conversion. There must be a reason.
Theres no aftermarket conversions for less then 5K that is anywhere close to the CV swap.
Please provide me solid engineered means and methods to sell me on it.
Well your on a board for a 40+ year old trucks show me the solid engineering that your truck is still road worthy.
Garbz
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