Lift Kit question?
Laughing Gas
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From: oriental NC.
clay, what i ment was if you put that block/bar in with the stock spring. and it looks like in the video that the factory block was still there. that clip says 8 in is that what the the amount of lift over all. my factory block is 5 in i like the idea to hold the wrap down i have upper traction bars on a old bronco and slapper traction bars on my 65 . but if i see this right there will be 13 in of blocks between the axel and spring . and i was wondering if there was a shorter block version. or could you remove the factory block and that would be 3 in gain in hieght. im not really trying to lift truck much this is my daily driver thanks for input wes
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From: Washington
The less blocking you have the better. Blocks do tend to cause more axle wrap than just springs alone. And lift springs can also cause more axle wrap than stock springs, (as well as bigger tires, and higher hp), this depends on how much lift the springs are and what the spring rate is, (the less the rate the more wrap you get). IMO if you want to lift your truck get an all spring lift, it will cost more but will proform better, especially if you add trac bars. Keep in mind your going to get axle wrap with all spring setups, thats why guys run trac bars. All of this will be better for towing as well, I wouldn't want to tow 10k plus with 13" of blocks under my rear springs would you? It will work but it would worry me. Just my .02 cents.
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The blocks shown in the video are custom OUO blocks that are replacements for the OEM and in that setup are 8" blocks.
IMO use all-spring for articulation and traction blocks for towing and ride. All spring lifts typically are a blend and don't ride or tow amazingly. That is why I moved away from them as they rode rough and yet didn't handle towing well either, yet were very expensive. Since going to rear Excursion springs and traction bars it rides much better and yet also tows far better as well. If done correctly the height of the block isn't a concern when towing heavy loads. Either way I would use quality traction bars to control axle wrap though.
IMO use all-spring for articulation and traction blocks for towing and ride. All spring lifts typically are a blend and don't ride or tow amazingly. That is why I moved away from them as they rode rough and yet didn't handle towing well either, yet were very expensive. Since going to rear Excursion springs and traction bars it rides much better and yet also tows far better as well. If done correctly the height of the block isn't a concern when towing heavy loads. Either way I would use quality traction bars to control axle wrap though.
More Turbo
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From: Prosper, TX
The blocks shown in the video are custom OUO blocks that are replacements for the OEM and in that setup are 8" blocks.
IMO use all-spring for articulation and traction blocks for towing and ride. All spring lifts typically are a blend and don't ride or tow amazingly. That is why I moved away from them as they rode rough and yet didn't handle towing well either, yet were very expensive. Since going to rear Excursion springs and traction bars it rides much better and yet also tows far better as well. If done correctly the height of the block isn't a concern when towing heavy loads. Either way I would use quality traction bars to control axle wrap though.
IMO use all-spring for articulation and traction blocks for towing and ride. All spring lifts typically are a blend and don't ride or tow amazingly. That is why I moved away from them as they rode rough and yet didn't handle towing well either, yet were very expensive. Since going to rear Excursion springs and traction bars it rides much better and yet also tows far better as well. If done correctly the height of the block isn't a concern when towing heavy loads. Either way I would use quality traction bars to control axle wrap though.
Laughing Gas
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From: oriental NC.
I wouldn't want to tow 10k plus with 13" of blocks under my rear springs would you? It will work but it would worry me. Just my .02 cents.[/quote]
thats what i was saying ! ive been building ford trucks for over 25 years now and have never put more than a 2 in block . the biggest block i have ever had is the stock block on my 99 psd 5in. but i have also been tieing up rear ends all along the way with differant set ups ie ladder bars / traction bars / four link / old school slapper bars / ect... my original question was is there a smaller one and does it replace the factory one . i have never seen a bar that doesnt attach to houseing. looks like it keeps a handle on the wrap though, wes
thats what i was saying ! ive been building ford trucks for over 25 years now and have never put more than a 2 in block . the biggest block i have ever had is the stock block on my 99 psd 5in. but i have also been tieing up rear ends all along the way with differant set ups ie ladder bars / traction bars / four link / old school slapper bars / ect... my original question was is there a smaller one and does it replace the factory one . i have never seen a bar that doesnt attach to houseing. looks like it keeps a handle on the wrap though, wes
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From: Texas
So did anyone ever decide anything here? I think I've decided I want new springs front AND rear since I've already worn the rear springs out on my truck, might as well replace her rear springs with the lift kit and be done with it.
I've seen Superlift, Skyjacker and Rubicon kits that included both front and rear springs, but I'm not getting that warm fuzzy feeling with any of them. Seems like there's something missing or not right with each kit.
I've shot a message to Clay about maybe just building a lift kit with parts from different sources to get all the right stuff in one spot. Anyone else interested in a 4" lift if he can put all the right pieces together for a top notch set up?
I've seen Superlift, Skyjacker and Rubicon kits that included both front and rear springs, but I'm not getting that warm fuzzy feeling with any of them. Seems like there's something missing or not right with each kit.
I've shot a message to Clay about maybe just building a lift kit with parts from different sources to get all the right stuff in one spot. Anyone else interested in a 4" lift if he can put all the right pieces together for a top notch set up?
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From: Millersburg, OR
If you can afford it, stick the traction blocks on the rear. Trucks have been built with blocks from the factory forever. I would think that an all spring rear end will have more flexibility then a stock spring with blocks. Possibly see more axle movement with the spring lift. I ran stock rear springs and 4" blocks for my 6" lift and didn't have any issues hooking up at the dragstrip.
You can't go wrong with an Icon lift and if possible get the stock ride height springs and stick a block in there. It will ride better with those springs over an all spring lift. Blows me away how well mine rides. Get Icon's nice set of shocks (the ones with the reservoirs) Stay away from all the other brands, they are junk compared to Icon. Superlift, skyjacker, tuffcountry, ruff country, revteck... etc... unless you just want it to ride "like a truck"...
GET YOUR KIT FROM CLAY!!!
You can't go wrong with an Icon lift and if possible get the stock ride height springs and stick a block in there. It will ride better with those springs over an all spring lift. Blows me away how well mine rides. Get Icon's nice set of shocks (the ones with the reservoirs) Stay away from all the other brands, they are junk compared to Icon. Superlift, skyjacker, tuffcountry, ruff country, revteck... etc... unless you just want it to ride "like a truck"...
GET YOUR KIT FROM CLAY!!!
More Turbo
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From: Prosper, TX
So did anyone ever decide anything here? I think I've decided I want new springs front AND rear since I've already worn the rear springs out on my truck, might as well replace her rear springs with the lift kit and be done with it.
I've seen Superlift, Skyjacker and Rubicon kits that included both front and rear springs, but I'm not getting that warm fuzzy feeling with any of them. Seems like there's something missing or not right with each kit.
I've shot a message to Clay about maybe just building a lift kit with parts from different sources to get all the right stuff in one spot. Anyone else interested in a 4" lift if he can put all the right pieces together for a top notch set up?
I've seen Superlift, Skyjacker and Rubicon kits that included both front and rear springs, but I'm not getting that warm fuzzy feeling with any of them. Seems like there's something missing or not right with each kit.
I've shot a message to Clay about maybe just building a lift kit with parts from different sources to get all the right stuff in one spot. Anyone else interested in a 4" lift if he can put all the right pieces together for a top notch set up?
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Now Iam confused I had my mind set on Icon 4-4 1/2 inch lift. I also talked to Deaver Spring today about pricing a kit for my truck and it was and all spring kit . Now I hear this Iam not sure which way to go . I have been doing a lot of research and Icon has always been on top . Deaver spring also sound very impressive.... sounded like some good springs after talking to them today. Still waiting on a quote . All hardware will be Icon from Deaver.
Maybe I will give Clay a call and see what kind of set up he would recommend or he can chime in on this issue .
Maybe I will give Clay a call and see what kind of set up he would recommend or he can chime in on this issue .
More Turbo
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From: Prosper, TX
Now Iam confused I had my mind set on Icon 4-4 1/2 inch lift. I also talked to Deaver Spring today about pricing a kit for my truck and it was and all spring kit . Now I hear this Iam not sure which way to go . I have been doing a lot of research and Icon has always been on top . Deaver spring also sound very impressive.... sounded like some good springs after talking to them today. Still waiting on a quote . All hardware will be Icon from Deaver.
Maybe I will give Clay a call and see what kind of set up he would recommend or he can chime in on this issue .
Maybe I will give Clay a call and see what kind of set up he would recommend or he can chime in on this issue .
Clay was talking about putting OUO products on his site.
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I agree I was all set to go on a lift and now that I have seen that video on axel wrap I am a little worried. I cannot tell if I have axel wrap or not but I can tell the truck raises up a little if I get on the go pedal a little. Not sure what I am going to do now.
Clay was talking about putting OUO products on his site.
Clay was talking about putting OUO products on his site.
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So did anyone ever decide anything here? I think I've decided I want new springs front AND rear since I've already worn the rear springs out on my truck, might as well replace her rear springs with the lift kit and be done with it.
I've seen Superlift, Skyjacker and Rubicon kits that included both front and rear springs, but I'm not getting that warm fuzzy feeling with any of them. Seems like there's something missing or not right with each kit.
I've shot a message to Clay about maybe just building a lift kit with parts from different sources to get all the right stuff in one spot. Anyone else interested in a 4" lift if he can put all the right pieces together for a top notch set up?
I've seen Superlift, Skyjacker and Rubicon kits that included both front and rear springs, but I'm not getting that warm fuzzy feeling with any of them. Seems like there's something missing or not right with each kit.
I've shot a message to Clay about maybe just building a lift kit with parts from different sources to get all the right stuff in one spot. Anyone else interested in a 4" lift if he can put all the right pieces together for a top notch set up?
Posting Guru
Joined: Jan 2007
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From: Millersburg, OR
Yes I hear you . I was set on and all spring lift until that video . I was wondering if Deaver can build a stock lenght spring that will flex a lot more than a stock spring . Also will the track block affect articulation or wheel travel ? I also looked at Clays site to see if he had it up yet but its not there . Iam still waitng to hear from him on this issue .
Nope, the traction blocks will not effect your ride at all. Your suspension will still articulate like it is supposed to.
Check out www.oneupoffroad.com and see all the pics of them flexing out trucks. There is not another suspension outfit out there that actually tests out their products and publishes pictures of what they do... LOL
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From: La La Land
I personally saw those blocks on both Steven's and Clay's trucks a couple of months ago.
These are designed to work the way they SHOULD, and are very nice quality!
Disclaimer: I have absolutely no interest in OUO, but sure appreciate good engineering when I see it!
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These are designed to work the way they SHOULD, and are very nice quality!
Disclaimer: I have absolutely no interest in OUO, but sure appreciate good engineering when I see it!
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