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Old Nov 16, 2010 | 08:53 PM
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Question Oil Filters

First off I'm new to this forum.
Second this forum is amazing!! (I might find myself single here shortly due to me spending all my time on this forum!)

Heres my questions.

Is anyone out there using any other oil filter besides the standard motorcraft oil filter? I saw a post earlier about the Pure Power Oil Filter and I'm interested in purchasing a re-usable filter, but would like to see if anyone else had feed back about switching from the standard Oil Filter (paper) to these Stainless Steel re-usable filters.

This is my first diesel and any help would be appreciated.

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Old Nov 16, 2010 | 08:57 PM
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The biggest thing to keep in mind with regards to anything aftermarket is the cost of component failure.

Replacing a diesel engine in a truck like ours will cost over $15,000 if you have to pay for it yourself. If you install such a filter on your truck and have a lubrication related engine failure Ford won't cover it.

Which will leave you on the hook for a VERY expen$ive repair. Even if the filter didn't cause it there will be enough doubt for them not to pay for it.

Use the OEM Motorcraft filters. I got mine from my dealer for $15, and I have the peace of mind knowing my warranty is intact.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2010 | 10:18 PM
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I used the Amsoil EA filters on my 07 Cummins. Great filters. I have no idea what I will use on this rig. Probably the same.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2010 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Paratrooper84
First off I'm new to this forum.
Second this forum is amazing!! (I might find myself single here shortly due to me spending all my time on this forum!)

Heres my questions.

Is anyone out there using any other oil filter besides the standard motorcraft oil filter? I saw a post earlier about the Pure Power Oil Filter and I'm interested in purchasing a re-usable filter, but would like to see if anyone else had feed back about switching from the standard Oil Filter (paper) to these Stainless Steel re-usable filters.

This is my first diesel and any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Search the subject more. In the end they were built for race engines you do not want to try one on a 15k engine! Every time you clean it you push debris to the clean oil side of the filter and it goes into the engine. Stick with a disposable spin on filter. This engine uses 1-16'' threads not uncommon but it also has a built in bypass valve that is something you will not find in this thread size. Wix has the XE filter coming out for it by mid feb if you want a super fine filtration. But the motorcraft filter is just fine.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 08:06 AM
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We'll be moving the fleet trucks to Purolator PureONE, if/when they start making them for this app. For now, we use Motorcraft from the dealer, and will stick to them until the alternative we want comes out.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 10:07 AM
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I considered the re-usable filter for my bike just because of the finer filtration. In the end I did not want to be bothered cleaning a filter too. And the bike oil is almost always fairly clean when it is changed, Diesel oil will be quite different.

I plan on using any of the name brands, they are all good. And Ford cannot deny a warranty claim just because you used an aftermarket filter.

Now, if you use some cheap Chinese junk import and it blows up on the first cold start - then you deserve what you get.

Amsoil, Hastings, Wix, Purolator etc didn’t get to where they are because they sell non factory filters that would not be covered under warranty.

Do you really think “Motorcraft” makes their own filters?
 
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 06:51 PM
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Do you really think “Motorcraft” makes their own filters?
I'm not 100% sure on this particular filter, but in the past many Motorcraft filters have been made by Racor.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 07:49 PM
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The only filters Racor made for Ford to use with the Motorcraft brand name were for the 6.0 and 6.4 trucks all other filters have been Purolator or Champion Labs since 1994 . However Ford has bucked the trend and the new filters that come on the 6.7 engine from the factory are made by MANN & HUMMEL aftermarket Motorcraft filter appears to be a Purolator filter.
 
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Originally Posted by MZ5
We'll be moving the fleet trucks to Purolator PureONE, if/when they start making them for this app. For now, we use Motorcraft from the dealer, and will stick to them until the alternative we want comes out.

L46128 They have been out on the market since may.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by porthole
Amsoil, Hastings, Wix, Purolator etc didn’t get to where they are because they sell non factory filters that would not be covered under warranty.

Do you really think “Motorcraft” makes their own filters?
Generally I agree with you, but aftermarket filters for the 6.0/6.4L PSDs have caused LOTS of problems.

YouTube - Motorcraft Power Stroke Diesel Filter Comparison

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...g-problem.html
 
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by porthole
I considered the re-usable filter for my bike just because of the finer filtration. In the end I did not want to be bothered cleaning a filter too. And the bike oil is almost always fairly clean when it is changed, Diesel oil will be quite different.

I plan on using any of the name brands, they are all good. And Ford cannot deny a warranty claim just because you used an aftermarket filter.

Now, if you use some cheap Chinese junk import and it blows up on the first cold start - then you deserve what you get.

Amsoil, Hastings, Wix, Purolator etc didn’t get to where they are because they sell non factory filters that would not be covered under warranty.

Do you really think “Motorcraft” makes their own filters?
Yes they can as stated "any aftermarket part that causes a genuine ford part to fail will not be covered under warranty" and that is not limited to oil filters.
I remember one incident in particular...a 07 expedition with a 5.4 3v that locked up because the oil filter collapsed and starved the engine from oil.....why would ford spend their own buck to replace that engine when it clearly was the oil filter at fault that was not theirs. (FYI we disected the oil filter to notice the obvious)
 
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sncbluegt
Yes they can as stated "any aftermarket part that causes a genuine ford part to fail will not be covered under warranty" and that is not limited to oil filters.
I remember one incident in particular...a 07 expedition with a 5.4 3v that locked up because the oil filter collapsed and starved the engine from oil.....why would ford spend their own buck to replace that engine when it clearly was the oil filter at fault that was not theirs. (FYI we disected the oil filter to notice the obvious)
What your saying is not what I am saying.

My comment is based on the fact that it is incumbent on the manufacturer that is warranting the item to prove the aftermarket part caused the failure.

Point is, a lot of dealers tell their customers if they don't come back for genuine parts and service oil changes they will not be covered under warranty That is bull.

You can put an aftermarket air cleaner and exhaust on your truck and that does not blatantly void your warranty.

We, as consumers, are protected under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975

BTW, had your customer been savvy enough to replace the filter before having the truck towed in odds are he would not have paid for the repair
 
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by porthole
What your saying is not what I am saying.

My comment is based on the fact that it is incumbent on the manufacturer that is warranting the item to prove the aftermarket part caused the failure.

Point is, a lot of dealers tell their customers if they don't come back for genuine parts and service oil changes they will not be covered under warranty That is bull.

You can put an aftermarket air cleaner and exhaust on your truck and that does not blatantly void your warranty.

We, as consumers, are protected under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975

BTW, had your customer been savvy enough to replace the filter before having the truck towed in odds are he would not have paid for the repair
Your right....they do have to prove that the aftermarket part made the factory part fail...and in most instaces they can't prove that..unless its programming (and thats hit and miss), and yes your right they could have just changed the filter before they came in to the dealer...however most people don't even think of stuff like that as to why an engine just quite running. All I was saying in regards to oil filters is that to me I would just use the factory stuff so I can sleep better at night and if something fails..im the idiot for doing what I did or the part just flat out failed. PLUS when something goes wrong are you gonna go through the entire truck and put it back to 100% factory before it gets back to the dealer. (oh in that case.....ford wasn't going to replace the engine but those customers have been buying fords back to back for over a decade every two years..so they swallowed it and put a new engine in the truck and never complained a word to the customer)
 
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 08:39 AM
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L46128 They have been out on the market since may.
I appreciate that, but we're waiting for the part with the "P" in front of it (PL46128), which doesn't exist yet.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 11:39 AM
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I do think it would be foolish to not use a factory or "equivilent" quality filter like Hastings etc. Certainly not cheap junk imports. Have my doubts about name brands at Wally world not being the real deal.
 
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