I wasn't saying whether or not the hybrid would be economical or not for my parents, I was arguing about your statement of 12 years before break even. That was my main point.

 

It was my statement actually. The 12 year payoff was done by either C&D or MT (can't recall the article without a massive search) with 12K miles a year with gas being in the mid $3.00 range. It was a part of a much larger article comparing standard models, to the same vehicle's hybrid model (Escape/Escape hybrid & Camry/Camry hybrid, etc, etc, etc) to see how the cost difference of going with the hybrid would pay off, in a hypothetical, average, statistical, generic manner.
If you go back to that post I had, I think you'll see that I stated that for me personally, it wouldn't make financial sense for propane kit (as a response to the OP's second inquiry in this thread) and the hybrid analogy was just an example.

I have read some very profound posts by you in my short time here (2 months) but it's posts like yours here that make me want to do this
But go ahead and counterpoint me like you do to other users in other threads.

 

I'm trying to get help I really am. It was the way I was raised. In this case, I really can blame at least one of my parents, the lawyer(contract law, not the blood sucker kinda of lawyer).

I am just one of those that firmly believes in the phrase "that depends".

 

I'm reading this without sarcasm...and if so...

I get ya on the "that depends" view of looking at things, but honestly it's highly frustrating. I'm in the insurance biz (title, not life, etc) so I can understand your contract law parent's way of thinking.

Ok, I'm done.

But back to propane. The only vehicle I'd want it in, would be a diesel, and only as a power adder. Bully Dog makes a propane system for diesel that makes nitrous look like a child's toy.

Roush makes a propane kit for 2007.5-2008 F150s.
ROUSH Propane - Ford F-150 Features
They claim 500 miles between fueling for a 53 gallon tank (capacity is 41 gallons of LP (that's 80% full)) Isn't that low 12s for mpg? I know it's "more green" but that could get to be pricey, quickly.
I think propane here locally in VA is in the low $3.00s right now.

 

I have been getting darn near the exact same mileage as you are for the last 8 months. I don't romp on the truck all the time, but i don't baby it all the time either. I drive a mix of city and highway to and from work daily. I wouldn't worry about it since you said your company pays for the gas.
and as far as performance chips mentioned above... it's a "performance" chip, not a "MPG" chip, i wouldn't think that would be the best route to go for better mileage. as for the air filter, all i would do is take the snorkel off of the air box. I didnt' notice anything major, but it has to reduce the air flow restriction, as it was probably necked down to a 2 inch opening when the rest of the intake is roughly 3 inches in diameter.

just my .02 cents tho!

 

I've quoted you again to make a point. You say your 4x4 Ford is getting an actual 16.?? and your 4x2 GM was getting 19. Proportionately, they are getting the same MPG's. Lighter truck and perhaps different gearing results in better economy.

 

Tim, he also said it was a 4 door XLT. Do you think he means the SuperCab or the SCrew? If it's the SCrew then he's carrying additional weight regardless.
You make a very solid point here.

 

I'm not planning on getting propane or a chip. I was just curious if anybody with the same truck ( XLT Supercrew, Im used to calling them 4 door) was getting the same MPG's. I already let some of the air out of the tires, I didn't know 44 was MAX psi. Guess I didn't see "MAX". Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it.

 

You'll probably be ok running 38psi, maybe 36 if you want. It's just a shame that having a superior truck (Ford > Chebby) comes with lower mpg.

 

I think I deal with the mileage because this truck is way nicer than my old one. Plus, like I said earlier, the company pay for gas.

 

I guess the best way to get high fuel mileage is to keep the weight down.

My 2003 F250 2WD reg cab long bed 5.4L/6-speed/4.30 weighed 6100 lbs with nothing in the toolbox and 1/4 of a fuel tank and me in it. (Ahah! I can already hear the "you need to lose weight" comments) It got 13 mpg in town and about 17 on the highway. It got 12 mpg in town and 18 mpg highway before I swapped the 3.73's for 4.30's.

My 2010 F150 2WD reg cab standard bed 4.6L 2 valve 4R75E 3.55 weighing 4900 lbs, well I hesitate to tell you... These are calculated numbers, not Lie-O-Meter(tm) numbers... 19 in town, 24 on the highway. Cough...cough... Last fill up: 12.79 gallons, 250 miles, all Dallas in-town driving, no highway, not driving very gently either. Ouch. Better technology huh? And lightest, smallest F you can get. Must be the electric fans... That's good for 1% fuel saving I think Ford said. I'm almost tempted to buy a 2011 reg cab with the 3.7L to see what I can squeeze out of it.

The Lie-O-Meter(tm) is always 1.5 mpg higher than calculated, on my truck. I don't look at the Lie-O-Meter(tm) very often for that reason, but I saw 26 mpg on a long highway trip once. That's completely ridiculous!

I noticed oil companies' stocks crashed the day after I sold the F250. I even received death threats from Rex Tillerson and Peter Voser.

 

I am averaging about 560 miles per tank in pretty open Phoenix driving. On highways I average about 20-21. That being said I really did'nt buy a truck to concern myself with gas mileage. LOL

2010 Supercrew

 

It's easy to say that but in reality, unless one is wealthy and financially carefree, we always concern ourselves with some type of penny pinching.

Ford has been touting fuel economy in their since before the 1940's. In other words, it's been a concern throughout the course of time that motor cars have roamed the country and helped build America.