manual steering
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I am sure it is the power assist as it has the control valve and the ram cylinder. I am not sure if its the valve the cylinder or the hoses that leak. It sounds like I need to look at the integral P/S from a 78 or 79
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What was the power steering called on the 77' F-150 4WD that had the drag link end built into the Pitman arm? Dan
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You quoted only part of the last line of post #30, go back and read the rest of it.
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I did read the entire post #30, I only quoted the part of post I was in question of; meaning the steering box that had a pressure and return line running from the p.s. pump to the steering box on a 1977 Ford F-150 4Wd that came from the factory with a 351M, manual transmission and integral power steering. Dan
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'67 4X4 Assist type power steering
Hey Bill,
Haven't talked in awhile. I have a complete power assist steering setup that I would like to install on my '67 250 4X4. Not sure what year of parts I have but am missing the long tie rod that goes on the right side that has the socket in it for the assist cylinder stud. Is that part still available somewhere? The '67 is the closed knuckle type. I prefer the old power assist steering with the cylinder and control valve setup. Have had them new and everywhere in between and still like those better than the "new" type integrated steering box.
God bless,
Rob
Haven't talked in awhile. I have a complete power assist steering setup that I would like to install on my '67 250 4X4. Not sure what year of parts I have but am missing the long tie rod that goes on the right side that has the socket in it for the assist cylinder stud. Is that part still available somewhere? The '67 is the closed knuckle type. I prefer the old power assist steering with the cylinder and control valve setup. Have had them new and everywhere in between and still like those better than the "new" type integrated steering box.
God bless,
Rob
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Hey Bill,
Haven't talked in awhile. I have a complete power assist steering setup that I would like to install on my '67 250 4X4. Not sure what year of parts I have but am missing the long tie rod that goes on the right side that has the socket in it for the assist cylinder stud. Is that part still available somewhere? The '67 is the closed knuckle type. I prefer the old power assist steering with the cylinder and control valve setup.
Haven't talked in awhile. I have a complete power assist steering setup that I would like to install on my '67 250 4X4. Not sure what year of parts I have but am missing the long tie rod that goes on the right side that has the socket in it for the assist cylinder stud. Is that part still available somewhere? The '67 is the closed knuckle type. I prefer the old power assist steering with the cylinder and control valve setup.
1973 & 1974's before serial number T80,001 use Garrison P/S, which has two short draglinks (look more like tie rods ends) mounted to the control valve, one on either side (3 1/2" & 5 1/2").
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1974's from serial number T80,000, 1975/77's use Bendix P/S. One 11 1/4" draglink attaches to the control valve.
You may prefer Power Assist, but there are no parts available from Ford any longer for either type. All the parts are obsolete, including the control valve and ram cylinder seal kits.
Some of these parts can be found NOS, most cannot. Because of the rarity of new parts, I would not retrofit Power Assist P/S on trucks that were not available with any P/S.
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1973/77 F250 4WD (High Boys): There were two totally different types of Power Assist P/S, the parts do not interchange.
1973 & 1974's before serial number T80,001 use Garrison P/S, which has two short draglinks (look more like tie rods ends) mounted to the control valve, one on either side (3 1/2" & 5 1/2").
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1974's from serial number T80,000, 1975/77's use Bendix P/S. One 11 1/4" draglink attaches to the control valve.
You may prefer Power Assist, but there are no parts available from Ford any longer for either type. All the parts are obsolete, including the control valve and ram cylinder seal kits.
Some of these parts can be found NOS, most cannot. Because of the rarity of new parts, I would not retrofit Power Assist P/S on trucks that were not available with any P/S.
1973 & 1974's before serial number T80,001 use Garrison P/S, which has two short draglinks (look more like tie rods ends) mounted to the control valve, one on either side (3 1/2" & 5 1/2").
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1974's from serial number T80,000, 1975/77's use Bendix P/S. One 11 1/4" draglink attaches to the control valve.
You may prefer Power Assist, but there are no parts available from Ford any longer for either type. All the parts are obsolete, including the control valve and ram cylinder seal kits.
Some of these parts can be found NOS, most cannot. Because of the rarity of new parts, I would not retrofit Power Assist P/S on trucks that were not available with any P/S.
Thanks Bill,
Well,that is not great news but;I'm sure glad for the advice!!! I would have stumbled around in the dark for who knows how long were it not for you!!! Really appreciate it. I'll try for a different solution following some of these articles on this board.
God bless,
Rob
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Try PSC Motorsports as they make cylinder assist kits for several different vehicles, though their Ford stuff is for Super Duty's. You might be able to come up with enough parts to make a complete system. You might be able to use a Chevy or Dodge D44 system.
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God bless,
Rob
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The biggest troubles with the manual box is the side sector adjustment cover. It's made out of aluminum. The sector shaft wears out the inner cup end. This controls the play between the worm and sector gears that ends up with extra clearance at the pitman arm. I have found that manual steering boxes seem to one thing people just never seem to change oil on. The oil is like black tar and that's not a great lubricant. Most all other bearing our good. I'm with Bill take it apart clean it and figure out what you can do.
Ball bearing our standard size. If it's the Ross HD box their 3/8" but as long as it had lube in it they should be ok. or take it to a truck shop and rebuild stuff if possible maybe they can if it up for you..my 2cents
orich
Ball bearing our standard size. If it's the Ross HD box their 3/8" but as long as it had lube in it they should be ok. or take it to a truck shop and rebuild stuff if possible maybe they can if it up for you..my 2cents
orich
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Originally Posted by orich
...manual steering boxes seem to be one thing people just never seem to change the oil on.
XG1C (replaced C3AZ19578A) .. Gearbox Grease.