The EPA and DOT are setting new fuel MPG standards for 18 wheelers, trucks busses and heavy duty pick ups. First iteration is in the 2014 models. Can't wait to pul my 17,000 lb 5er with a 4 liter v6 diesel.

 

Maybe I haven't read in to things too far but.. isn't fuel efficiency a good thing? Where does weight reduction or capacity degradation come in to play anywhere? If I could drive an equally powerful diesel F350 CC DRW 4x4 with 4.10 gears that gets 25+mpg I'd be all over it. Wouldn't you?

 

Ford would be all over it too they would sell them in the thousands, they don't exist for a reason.

 

Too big of a change too fast and the current lineup of trucks would be worth scrap?

 

I would love a 4L V6 diesel! ... in a F150, and not towing that much weight.

 

Well, yes. If they could do that it would be great. But if they could do that at any competitive price that truck would be on the market now. I'm thinking it will be more like the autos, we had to endure what, 15 years of junk until technology caught up with the standards. Then it took Japan to keep us in decent cars until Detroit got their act together. It will depend on how robust the standards are but it looks like only 2 more years for the 6.7 unless Ford anticipated and knows how to meet the next benchmark with it. The other issue of course is cost. The 2011s like mine are over 60,000 dollars now. Where will the price have to go to pay for more new technology? Whatever way it goes you can bet the consumer will end up paying more for less. I just wish they would give it a rest. Take a few years and let the industry perfect the DPF technology. Give the industry a chanch to stabalize, Hell, stuffs upside down. 2000 model trucks are more valuable than 2005 or 6 trucks, Everybody with a 6.4 rides around waiting for the truck to blow up or they spend thousands and void their warranty to get the thing to run right. just not the right time to stick another finger in the industry's eye.

 

I would be curious as to what the going rates are for a 2000 model 7.3 and a 2005 6.0 with equal (based on model year) mileage. As in, say, 15,000 miles a year. That would be 150,000 on a 2000 and 75,000 on a 2005. I think the national average is 12,000/year actually. Round it up to 25,000 if you think thats more realistic - then we're talking 250,000 miles for a 2000 and 125,000 for a 2005.

 

This is a scary issue. EPA has too much power and they themselves need regulated.

I would be that everything will have to shed some weight. reductions in power, capacity and size will all happen.

4x2's will be the norm. Short beds, GM tires on your Ford.

when this all shakes up you can bet what you have will be worth something.

 

I can't answer that but I'm sure the later model with half the mileage would bring a lot more. But what happens if they both have 50,000? The last two low mileage (less than 50K) 7.3s I looked into went in the 20s. Those with mileage in the low 100s are bringing high teens. That just may be Ga of course or it may be nationwide. I don't know what anyone would pay for a 6L given their reputation. I wouldn't touch one, not even an 06 or 07. I'm thinking I'm testing faith enough with the 6.4L.

 

I'm not so sure it won't go the other way. If the 6.7 is as solid as it appears to be I'm thinking that a 12 or 13 model might be the way to go. Or, in my case maybe a change to a motor home. If they have to reduce payload and power to meet the 2014 standards you can bet the 6.7s and even the 6.4s might enjoy a lot of popularity. Unless there is some magic out there i'm thinking smaller, lighter and less powerful for the F250/350. In fact I wouldn't be suprised to see one or the other ended. There is no difference between them anyway unless you get DRWs. The construction guys and 5th wheelers would go to F450s and all the guys with small trailers and lighter duty work trucks would go to whatever the new trucks are called. The people doing this don't really care about a few thousand of us who tow heavy fifth wheels. They can just shut us down. After all, what's more important, me enjoying travelling in a luxury 5th wheel or saving the world?

 

lets hope Nov.2nd when can replace as many people we can that believe in cap and tax ...and realize that this epa bull is nothing more than a money grab that is crippling america......rant over.....

 

Sweet thoughts, a different congress might slow it down. What we need is a good lobby. I'm thinking the battle for EPA will be with the 18 wheelers. There are a lot of them.

 

We need to stand up to these changes in regulations. The problem is the manufacturers are getting walked on my the enviro-****'s. We need to present an organized front against these guys. The enviro-nuts have been organizing for much longer, but we have far greater numbers than those guys.

 

November 2nd is too late to stop this. The newly elected congress etc will not be sworn in, in time. The EPA comment period is through 1/3/11 and most of the manufacturers have been drinking the kool-aid and are on board with the EPA.

I do not see the manufacturer of Peterbilt and Kenworth trucks, PACCAR, on the list of supporting manufacturers.

WE NEED TO PROTEST THIS OTHERWISE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 1/2, 3/4, & 1 TON TRUCKS THAT ARE THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT FORD RANGER. AND ALL CLASS 8 TRUCKS WILL BE THE AERODYNAMIC STYLE.

 

Does anyone have a good idea for protesting nation-wide?

If every truck driver (and individual with a HD truck) that supports ending the EPA's march on our freedom showed up at their state's capital with signs and parked their rig out front it could send the messege. We would just have to pick a date.

Or we could just circle the capital like in the movie Maximum Overdrive.