For our newest Question of the Week, we want to know what you think of Ford's decision to go with the current engine lineup - although with upgraded power levels - for the 2017 Super Duty lineup.

Do you like the decision to stick with the current engines or do you think that Ford should have made some changes to the engine lineup?

Share your thoughts in the thread below!

 

Change for the sake of change? No.


Change for the sake of HP/TQ numbers games with the competition? No.


Change for the sake of increasing fuel economy? Sure, as long as no power is lost.


Change to increase reliability? Bring it on. Absolutely. And there's the rub.


Reliability is generally found in the tried and true. 12 million simulated and actual testing miles still is no match for 2 million customers driving 60,000 miles in engines already in service. What Ford has in the 6.8 liter V10 is a winner that outlasted Dodge's truck V10 and GM's 8.1L Vortec. I'm glad to see the "old" 6.8L still in the Super Duty line up on the chassis cabs, and only wish it would still be offered in the heavy pickups.


Consistency is a good thing in a truck. Known quantity, high availability of replacement parts, broad base of sufficient training across the service community, so that no matter where one is vacationing or working, there is a shop nearby that is familiar with how to fix the motor... that's much better than a brand new engine that no one knows anything about, and the only inventory of spare parts is being utilized for production.


On the diesel side, the only thing that need be added to Ford's own 6.7L is more reliability. To justify paying the initial price premium for the diesel, people need to be assured that it will go the distance. 15 more HP isn't worth a $15K repair bill to the fuel system. I'd rather have 100K more miles before failure than 100 more foot pounds of torque.

 

I agree completely.

Reliability for the duty cycle is more important than beating some other brand by 15 ft/lbs or by 12 HP.

I wish Ford would say if the V10 has been updated at all with tougher or better components.

As for the 6.7 L diesel, it seems to me there are a non-trivial number of failure complaints. Don't recall 7.3 or 6.0 bottom end problems like rods being thrown out or valves and glow plugs dropping and ruining an engine. These types of failures are annoying to even hear about as "rumors" or "isolated problems".

Reliability is more important than the latest whiz bang electronic gizmos.

 

Wise move. go with tried and true. There is enough change with the body and technology upgrades, you don't want to test a new powerplant at the same time.

 

What's wrong with the components in the current 3V V10? It's been a pretty reliable engine as far as I know.

The 6.7 and 6.2 for 2017 will probably get a HP/TQ bump to keep up the Jones (or the Kardashians for the younger crowd). I don't think Ford will make any radical drivetrain changes for at least 2-3 model years. Maybe 2019 or 2020.

I doubt we'll ever see an update to the V10. A whole new gas engine design is more likely but who knows. I guess you could throw a turbo on the V10 and call it a new engine. A 5.0EB is more logical, at least to me, then redesigning the V10 though.

 

What would you guys think about the F650/750 spec 6.7 with the 250k warranty to match? Do you really need over 800 ft/tq? I'm not in the market myself, but if I were, I personally would rather the lower power run forever option.

 

A turbo V-10! If it happens, WHAT a BRUTE!

 

FRANTZ... where do I sign?

 

I'd love to see Ford offer a longer warranty on the PSD. When you pay a 8k premium, get us some insurance at no additional cost.

I bet they change engines 6-12 months later.

 

Ford rolled the 2009 F-150's with new body panels, a new six speed transmission and then eliminated the V-6 option and offered the 4.6L 3V borrowed from the Mustang. But, they still offered the old 4.6L 2V and the old 4 speed as well.

There were teething issues with the transmission.

Then in 2011 Ford scrapped the entire engine line up and came out with four new engines for the F-150, most were borrowed from another platform.

The transmission issues were pretty much in the past by then but we had other teething issues with the 3.5L ecoboost and the 5.0L V-8.

Too many changes in one model cycle has created a ton of reliability issues and pissed off a ton of Ford lovers. Many migrated to the superduty trucks while many just left Ford for a tried and true unchanged drive train.

I think Ford should stay the course for now with the existing drive train and work on better MPG's and more power if it's warranted.

 

Currently, you do get a longer warranty vs the 6.2, but I see what your saying.

 

Given that you can no longer get 6.2L V8in an F-150, I think it is absolutely the right choice to keep the current V8 engine line up in the Super Duty series. I think if Ford eliminated the 6.2L in the Super Duty the would be handing a lot of buyers over to Chevrolet and Ram.... on a silver platter.

It's not that the Toyota T100 couldn't do the job, it's that America knows what to expect from a full size truck. We weren't ready for a V6 one ton in the T100 and I don't see a V6 EcoBoost going over with the Super Duty buyer much better. Ford may never offer a V8 EcoBoost, but that's all the more reason to upgrade and refine the 6.2L.

 

I agree - all very well said.


Another thing to add to the OP's question is timing. Most of us here probably can't even wrap our heads around the amount of red tape it takes to bring a new engine to market. To time a new engine with a new truck release is probably very difficult.


Like other's have said, I think by 2020, we'll see a new gasser come out. And that's great for many reasons...the reliability factor, parts availability, etc.


Anyone watch any of the Nissan Titan / Cummins engine release? I think they said it has been in progress for 10 years....granted, there are a lot of contributing factors to taking 10 years to produce/release to mfg an engine. But crap! 10 years! They need to sell a lot of trucks to pay that back.


The flipside to that is that Ford has learned a ton with the Ecoboost engines over the years and creating the next SD gas engine will probably go easier with the experience/knowledge gained.

 

Still waiting to hear if the 2017 engine will have a different regeneration fuel strategy with the introduction of a 9th injector to atomize the fuel in the exhaust rather than flood the the left cylinder bank with it on the exhaust stroke.