There was a thread here a couple of weeks ago debating the probability that the V10 would be offered on the 2008 Super Duty models. Looks like a go, based on the FMC announcement material (sorry, this is one of the stupider Flash presentations I've seen, out of a lot of competition, and me with lousy dial-up speed on my expensive Verizon DSL this morning). "Skip Intro"; click on "Power"; then hover over the upper right-hand dot:
http://www.fordvehicles.com/Trucks/2008superduty/

 

Yup, saw that with the rest of the '08 announcements in the last week or two.

Funny, eh? That the 5.4 is still there too? No Hurricane?

I was kinda wondering what Ford's engine line-up would be for '08 with them trying to cut costs all over the place.

Although I haven't seen anything about '08 F150's.

I'd expect them to put the 6.2 Hurricane in the 150's.

Anyone know if the Hurricane was supposed to be a pushrod design? (gag...)

 

Saw that on the announcement.....Good lucking truck too. I'm a diesel man myself, but Ford's smart enough to realize that a lot of people are "gassers" to the core....(haha). Pretty good numbers too (470lb tq.....340hp). I might be lowballing or highballing the hp number though. Good for you guys....enjoy it.

 

I don't know if axing the V10 would save them money, or cost them. Key word "modular". In theory, sharing components and dimensions across several "cylinder number incarnations" should save them a huge pile of money on tooling and production costs. Of course, vehicle companies can be exceedingly stupid, and the one under discussion refuses to end their failed experiments in marque resuscitation (Jaguar, Land Rover), so who knows if they are actually putting any of those potential savings in the bank...

 

lets not forget the mod ford gas motor is built in 3.8 v6, 4.6 v8, 5.4, v8 and the 6.8 v10 configs. it dose save ford a lot of money plus it keeps cleveland casting working hard to produce them.

from the 2008 sheets the v10 holds h.p. and torque rateing to the same as the 05.6, and 7 rateings. just wish they would add vct to it. i could lay odds on another easy 25 hp.

another thing thats going to be bad. is my dealers owner is still saying almost 10k for the psd from what he knows at this time. and the v10 is still holding at $600.00.
no finall books or prices yet, so who knows at this point how sales will go. will the psd by out priced and more guys start thinking overall cost's. service cost. fuel prices. #2 ver gasoline right now,
for me i know i was glad my little boat has a very small 120 hp t.di.i.,1.7 liter cummins with marina gasoline at over $4.25 a gal and it's useing only 2 gals a hour to run ver the 7 gals a hour when it was gas powered.

ohhh well the great debate goes on and on and on.

 

Let's not forget Ford is big in the UK. For all we know, producing Jaguars and LRs gets them a huge tax break because they "saved" a local company from extinction. What used to be British Leyland/Rover is now Ford.

Not to mention the PR they get from saving all those jobs (even though they laid off thousands, I think just this year, in the UK).

Ford Europe MADE $196 million the first half of this year.

 

Seeing that GM has dropped the 8.1L from their truck lineup I happy to hear that the V10 will still be prowling the pavement.

 

From Wilmington, NC Star (original source, Detroit News):
"While the special charges inflated the overall corporate loss, the weakness in Ford's key auto businesses alarmed industry observers. Besides losing $2 billion in its North American unit, the Premier Auto Group - Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover and Aston Martin - lost a record $593 million in the quarter."
http://tinyurl.com/y4zzz5
Somehow it's difficult for me to imagine that it's Volvo that is primarily responsible for all that Euroblood. It would be an interesting exercise to divide both the US and Premier operating losses by the number of respective vehicles sold, and compare the per vehicle results...

Scott

 

Also, keep in mind the "Premier auto group" doesn't include all those tiny Ford's running around UK's streets.

I believe that $196 million is the entire European Ford market, or possibly the "regular" Euro-Fords and doesn't include the "Premiere" lines.

 

My original point was that Jaguar, Land Rover (and Aston Martin, had I remembered to mention them), all members of Premier group, seem to be hemorrhaging cash for Ford, just as they did for previous ownership, and that Ford as an vehicle business would be best served by dumping those brands as quickly as practical, in order to concentrate on the business lines that can most easily be returned to profitability. Marques that have not made money in the last two decades or three ownership changes are probably not candidates for a quick turnaround...

 

this makes me wonder why volvo sold it's own car line in favor of keeping it's truck and marine engine lines over the cars. seems they also knew that end was a money looser.

now jag they never made money anyway, infact never could build a motor that would not mark it's spot, just like a old harley d, the others they never where big sellers to start with. what did ford think they purchased them. a gold mine?

bentley.rolls and sab also cost the companys that own them money to run. then just look at how many names from the 1900's that are no more. who is going to be left?

 

In the case of Jaguar, Rover, & A-M, I think that Ford was in better health, and thought it was doing a good deed (and enhancing its own prestige) by preserving those name plates. I don't have any problem with that. But times got tough, and it appears that British law and corporate inertia prevented Ford from dealing with that effectively. I am not privy to the internal financials of the Ford Premier Group, but it seems to me that Volvo has the best potential to be a bottom line contributor. In my limited experience (business trip rentals), their cars are well-designed and sassy, and get pretty good gas mileage. Volume in the US is a lot higher than any of the others. The only question in my mind is their cost structure.

 

The 3.8l V6 is an unrelated (pushrod) engine


As for Jaguar et al.

Ford North America lost 2.5billion in its own right during normal operations in 2005, while 6 vehicles were in development.
PAG lost 1.6billion with a major restructuring, and 15 vehicles were in development.

 

got me fred .i can't truely remember which ford v6 is also out of the mod motor line. yes i agree with the rest, esp, english laws,

all do have a small sales base in the USA. from that i ask how can any company not loose money on the volume numbers and cost of keeping all them with in the federal laws here in the usa compaired to that of their home countries . with that i mean, parts inventory and distrubution, sales forces to back up the dealers. factory service people. lawyers. can a car that useing a wild number of 100.000 units a year in the usa make enough money here to over come costs of operation. over that of a company that sells say 1 or 2 million.

i fully agree with you about the cost of development. it is a major factor with any company that i don't think anyone would disagree with you on that factor.

the last dealer meeting for VW i was at before retireing, they talked very deeply about operating costs in the USA and stated a number of units that they had to reach with the new models here in the usa to over come operation costs. they also stated if we don't reach that goll with this new car design. good by USA. we can't afford to operate here "USA" as it brings down our world wide profits every year. no different then ford or gm. now i have even read that damlier is saying the same thing about chrysler bringing down their world wide profit.

now safty wise. we do have to thank both the swed's and germans for the unibody and safty they designed of the uniframe they designed way way back !1950's or earlyer?
you fred i never will disagree with and will always thank you for your personal correction.