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Old 06-19-2013, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RacinNdrummin
Love it or hate it, we are stuck with DB series pumps until further notice...

Well, there you go... mount two of them on there! 180 X 2= 360!

All you gotta do is make a custom gear housing and two-into-one injector lines...
 
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:37 PM
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does the ip rob that much power? i didn't figure it anything over 3hp at full tilt



anyways, any updates?
 
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by turtlemann14
does the ip rob that much power? i didn't figure it anything over 3hp at full tilt



anyways, any updates?
A 12mm P7100 takes about 7hp.

As far as the IDI making more HP per cc than the CTD, its kind of a moot "argument". The CTD has no issues getting the fuel it needs to make the power you want, and it gets better mileage doing it.

The issue with doing a p-pump conversion in my eyes is the return on investment. You now have a pump that can fuel a 2500hp motor, but a motor that can only handle about 500hp, maybe a little more on a big single. Kind of pointless.

However, if you're a crazy bastage like Racin is, and I once was... maybe its just worth doing it for you
 
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 300-6 AUTO TECH
The big bore DB2 sounds like a winner to me. Should keep the internals simpler than the DB4 route. I too am curious about how much fuel you estimate this big bore pump will push.
Originally Posted by RacinNdrummin
Like I said, 180-190cc's at peak, but that is going to be determined by leakdown past the plungers... Fotunately, the plunger area is the same as the DB4, but the leakdown potential is less because the total circumfrence of the plungers is less... This might mean more flow... I wont know until I get a working model completed and on the stand... I have 2 sets of plungers cut right now, I just need to get the parts to EDM, have them fitted, and have the pumps built.
We posted at the same time yesterday so I didn't get read your post above mine.
 
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by NMB2
The a3k supports 450 on a 7.3psd. The only possible choke point is your small turbine housing, especially locking the gate out.

As of now though, none of us have got to a point that the 3k can't support, and I don't see it happening in the future.
Ok. What am I missing, or mis-calculating...

7.3L at 3,300 rpm displaces 424 cfm
6.9L at 3,300 rpm displaces 401 cfm

A3000 flows 6.5 lbs/min = 941 cfm

My assumption is that the exhaust side must flow at least as much as the compressor side so... where would there be a restriction?
 
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RacinNdrummin
Thanks man... I dont think its going to have a DB4 on the dyno... My focus has turned torwards the big bore DB2 stuff... Its the only thing that makes sense in my opinion. It liberates me from the whims of Stanadyne, and with a million+ pumps out there, and the benefit of having competent EDM and grinding shops nearby, It just leaves me with having a competent shop to calibrate the pumps... My focus is having a pump stand here in the near future, that way the quality control is up to me, and Im not relying on somebody else to hold the same standards I do... Couple that with eliminating the middle-man and you have a win-win for all of us IDI guys... It will take a little work, but sense when has a little work hurt anybody ...
That makes sense. Well then I look forward to seeing how those perform as well then. And as far as eliminating the middle man, that makes stuff more efficient and probably more cost effective. It makes sense to me...
 
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:18 PM
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Also how are those stroked injectors running? Any differences of any sort that you have noticed compared to stock?
 
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Originally Posted by therifleman556
All you gotta do is make a custom gear housing and two-into-one injector lines...
You don't need go make a new housing, run it off the belt pulleys!
 
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Until it jumps timing from the belt slipping
 
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Roller chain....
 
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Strap a Cat 3208 pump to the v. that should be big enough
 
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Strap a Cat 3208 pump to the v. that should be big enough
Im thinking that is the next step
 
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:05 PM
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Im thinking that is the next step
Saw a bloke on another site making enquiries about fitting one to his 6.5 chev
 
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Has anyone considered the ve pump.

To be honest i don't know much about it, or how much fuel it can output. But, it does seem like it would be easier to adapt to an idi.
 
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Has anyone considered the ve pump.

To be honest i don't know much about it, or how much fuel it can output. But, it does seem like it would be easier to adapt to an idi.
think about that for a second. .... lol
 


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