Latest Manufacturer Profit Figures on Vehicles
#1
12-13-2018, 06:38 AM
Latest Manufacturer Profit Figures on Vehicles
The Big Three continue to be 100% dependent on North American Truck, SUV sales to sustain money-losing operations EVERYWHERE ELSE.
In Ford's case it loses money in four out of its five operating areas -- it only makes profits in North America. 92% of Ford's COMPANY WIDE TOTAL PROFITS come from F-Series and to a lesser extent SUVs, so in reality North American truck buyers are subsidizing buyers in China (1M Ford vehicles sold annually at zero profit or a loss) and elsewhere.
Here's the data (I subscribe to ten investment related data sources (e.g. Barrons, Valueline, Morningstar, etc):
Ford -- 92% of company wide total profits are derived from F-Series, and to a smaller extent SUVs
GM -- 77% of company wide total profits are derived from light truck sales
Fiat/Chrysler -- 85% of company wide total profits are derived from Jeep, Ram sales
Sure it's ok to make profits, but it's pretty clear truck buyers (in some case profits on a single F-Series exceed 50%), are getting gouged horribly on price and end up subsidizing car buyers in China, South America, Europe, elsewhere where Ford is losing money across the board.
Likely the largest consumer ripoff ever recorded in North America. My view (and it's backed up with data) is US and Canadian truck buyers are getting taken to the cleaners -- of course they luv these vehicles (I do too), but it's seem unfair that companies continue money losing operations everywhere else at the expense of North America truck buyers.
In Ford's case it loses money in four out of its five operating areas -- it only makes profits in North America. 92% of Ford's COMPANY WIDE TOTAL PROFITS come from F-Series and to a lesser extent SUVs, so in reality North American truck buyers are subsidizing buyers in China (1M Ford vehicles sold annually at zero profit or a loss) and elsewhere.
Here's the data (I subscribe to ten investment related data sources (e.g. Barrons, Valueline, Morningstar, etc):
Ford -- 92% of company wide total profits are derived from F-Series, and to a smaller extent SUVs
GM -- 77% of company wide total profits are derived from light truck sales
Fiat/Chrysler -- 85% of company wide total profits are derived from Jeep, Ram sales
Sure it's ok to make profits, but it's pretty clear truck buyers (in some case profits on a single F-Series exceed 50%), are getting gouged horribly on price and end up subsidizing car buyers in China, South America, Europe, elsewhere where Ford is losing money across the board.
Likely the largest consumer ripoff ever recorded in North America. My view (and it's backed up with data) is US and Canadian truck buyers are getting taken to the cleaners -- of course they luv these vehicles (I do too), but it's seem unfair that companies continue money losing operations everywhere else at the expense of North America truck buyers.
#2
12-13-2018, 08:12 AM
Although manufacturers are discontinuing some unprofitable models, some fuel efficient but unprofitable models must continue to be made on a large scale in order to meet CAFE requirements. Until all trucks start being manufactured with 2.0L GTDI engines, heaven forbid, there probably will not be much of a significant change.
#3
12-13-2018, 08:24 AM
The Big Three continue to be 100% dependent on North American Truck, SUV sales to sustain money-losing operations EVERYWHERE ELSE.
In Ford's case it loses money in four out of its five operating areas -- it only makes profits in North America. 92% of Ford's COMPANY WIDE TOTAL PROFITS come from F-Series and to a lesser extent SUVs, so in reality North American truck buyers are subsidizing buyers in China (1M Ford vehicles sold annually at zero profit or a loss) and elsewhere.
Here's the data (I subscribe to ten investment related data sources (e.g. Barrons, Valueline, Morningstar, etc):
Ford -- 92% of company wide total profits are derived from F-Series, and to a smaller extent SUVs
GM -- 77% of company wide total profits are derived from light truck sales
Fiat/Chrysler -- 85% of company wide total profits are derived from Jeep, Ram sales
Sure it's ok to make profits, but it's pretty clear truck buyers (in some case profits on a single F-Series exceed 50%), are getting gouged horribly on price and end up subsidizing car buyers in China, South America, Europe, elsewhere where Ford is losing money across the board.
Likely the largest consumer ripoff ever recorded in North America. My view (and it's backed up with data) is US and Canadian truck buyers are getting taken to the cleaners -- of course they luv these vehicles (I do too), but it's seem unfair that companies continue money losing operations everywhere else at the expense of North America truck buyers.
In Ford's case it loses money in four out of its five operating areas -- it only makes profits in North America. 92% of Ford's COMPANY WIDE TOTAL PROFITS come from F-Series and to a lesser extent SUVs, so in reality North American truck buyers are subsidizing buyers in China (1M Ford vehicles sold annually at zero profit or a loss) and elsewhere.
Here's the data (I subscribe to ten investment related data sources (e.g. Barrons, Valueline, Morningstar, etc):
Ford -- 92% of company wide total profits are derived from F-Series, and to a smaller extent SUVs
GM -- 77% of company wide total profits are derived from light truck sales
Fiat/Chrysler -- 85% of company wide total profits are derived from Jeep, Ram sales
Sure it's ok to make profits, but it's pretty clear truck buyers (in some case profits on a single F-Series exceed 50%), are getting gouged horribly on price and end up subsidizing car buyers in China, South America, Europe, elsewhere where Ford is losing money across the board.
Likely the largest consumer ripoff ever recorded in North America. My view (and it's backed up with data) is US and Canadian truck buyers are getting taken to the cleaners -- of course they luv these vehicles (I do too), but it's seem unfair that companies continue money losing operations everywhere else at the expense of North America truck buyers.
Someone must be paying this guy to always come on here and start some kind of negative thread about Ford and the prices they charge for their trucks.
Dude, give it a rest.
#4
12-13-2018, 08:33 AM
The Big Three continue to be 100% dependent on North American Truck, SUV sales to sustain money-losing operations EVERYWHERE ELSE.
In Ford's case it loses money in four out of its five operating areas -- it only makes profits in North America. 92% of Ford's COMPANY WIDE TOTAL PROFITS come from F-Series and to a lesser extent SUVs, so in reality North American truck buyers are subsidizing buyers in China (1M Ford vehicles sold annually at zero profit or a loss) and elsewhere.
Here's the data (I subscribe to ten investment related data sources (e.g. Barrons, Valueline, Morningstar, etc):
Ford -- 92% of company wide total profits are derived from F-Series, and to a smaller extent SUVs
GM -- 77% of company wide total profits are derived from light truck sales
Fiat/Chrysler -- 85% of company wide total profits are derived from Jeep, Ram sales
Sure it's ok to make profits, but it's pretty clear truck buyers (in some case profits on a single F-Series exceed 50%), are getting gouged horribly on price and end up subsidizing car buyers in China, South America, Europe, elsewhere where Ford is losing money across the board.
Likely the largest consumer ripoff ever recorded in North America. My view (and it's backed up with data) is US and Canadian truck buyers are getting taken to the cleaners -- of course they luv these vehicles (I do too), but it's seem unfair that companies continue money losing operations everywhere else at the expense of North America truck buyers.
In Ford's case it loses money in four out of its five operating areas -- it only makes profits in North America. 92% of Ford's COMPANY WIDE TOTAL PROFITS come from F-Series and to a lesser extent SUVs, so in reality North American truck buyers are subsidizing buyers in China (1M Ford vehicles sold annually at zero profit or a loss) and elsewhere.
Here's the data (I subscribe to ten investment related data sources (e.g. Barrons, Valueline, Morningstar, etc):
Ford -- 92% of company wide total profits are derived from F-Series, and to a smaller extent SUVs
GM -- 77% of company wide total profits are derived from light truck sales
Fiat/Chrysler -- 85% of company wide total profits are derived from Jeep, Ram sales
Sure it's ok to make profits, but it's pretty clear truck buyers (in some case profits on a single F-Series exceed 50%), are getting gouged horribly on price and end up subsidizing car buyers in China, South America, Europe, elsewhere where Ford is losing money across the board.
Likely the largest consumer ripoff ever recorded in North America. My view (and it's backed up with data) is US and Canadian truck buyers are getting taken to the cleaners -- of course they luv these vehicles (I do too), but it's seem unfair that companies continue money losing operations everywhere else at the expense of North America truck buyers.
#5
12-13-2018, 01:13 PM
He’s right, to a certain point. The Big 3 and others are siphoning off truck profits to pay for their massive investments into “mobility”
Some forsee a future where no one owns a car or even drives one. They are investing in car sharing and self driving cars. I think that this will only work in a few metro areas in this country. I won’t go into it because it is a complicated subject that involves tax dollars as well.
For those that live in or near cities with rental scooters everywhere, imagine parking lots full of EcoSports. You pay to use it and park it in another lot near where you’re going. Or you pay a monthly rate that allows access.
I think it’s a recipe for failure. Time will tell. Google mobilty then add Ford or GM and see what kind of crazy stuff you will read.
https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...ity-group.html
Some forsee a future where no one owns a car or even drives one. They are investing in car sharing and self driving cars. I think that this will only work in a few metro areas in this country. I won’t go into it because it is a complicated subject that involves tax dollars as well.
For those that live in or near cities with rental scooters everywhere, imagine parking lots full of EcoSports. You pay to use it and park it in another lot near where you’re going. Or you pay a monthly rate that allows access.
I think it’s a recipe for failure. Time will tell. Google mobilty then add Ford or GM and see what kind of crazy stuff you will read.
https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...ity-group.html
#7
12-13-2018, 01:26 PM
I have to admit that (here in Canada, anyway) I was surprised to see to prices of an XLT on the Canadian "Build and Price. I realize that the prices shown are MSRP, so I don't know what buyers are actually paying once the fur has flown and the ink is dry.
From a BC dealer:
https://www.suburbanmotors.com/new/f...t-7441654.html
Original MSRP $65,207
From a BC dealer:
https://www.suburbanmotors.com/new/f...t-7441654.html
Original MSRP $65,207
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#9
12-13-2018, 05:41 PM
#10
12-14-2018, 07:24 AM
I have to admit that (here in Canada, anyway) I was surprised to see to prices of an XLT on the Canadian "Build and Price. I realize that the prices shown are MSRP, so I don't know what buyers are actually paying once the fur has flown and the ink is dry.
From a BC dealer:
https://www.suburbanmotors.com/new/f...t-7441654.html
Original MSRP $65,207
From a BC dealer:
https://www.suburbanmotors.com/new/f...t-7441654.html
Original MSRP $65,207
With that being said and as an example of the price you posted, believe it or not, that price in the US will get you two XLT`s, or a fully loaded Lariat, KR, Platinum, or even a Raptor if the dealer doesn`t go crazy with the mark up.
#11
12-14-2018, 09:35 AM
The Big Three continue to be 100% dependent on North American Truck, SUV sales to sustain money-losing operations EVERYWHERE ELSE.
In Ford's case it loses money in four out of its five operating areas -- it only makes profits in North America. 92% of Ford's COMPANY WIDE TOTAL PROFITS come from F-Series and to a lesser extent SUVs, so in reality North American truck buyers are subsidizing buyers in China (1M Ford vehicles sold annually at zero profit or a loss) and elsewhere.
Here's the data (I subscribe to ten investment related data sources (e.g. Barrons, Valueline, Morningstar, etc):
Ford -- 92% of company wide total profits are derived from F-Series, and to a smaller extent SUVs
GM -- 77% of company wide total profits are derived from light truck sales
Fiat/Chrysler -- 85% of company wide total profits are derived from Jeep, Ram sales
Sure it's ok to make profits, but it's pretty clear truck buyers (in some case profits on a single F-Series exceed 50%), are getting gouged horribly on price and end up subsidizing car buyers in China, South America, Europe, elsewhere where Ford is losing money across the board.
Likely the largest consumer ripoff ever recorded in North America. My view (and it's backed up with data) is US and Canadian truck buyers are getting taken to the cleaners -- of course they luv these vehicles (I do too), but it's seem unfair that companies continue money losing operations everywhere else at the expense of North America truck buyers.
In Ford's case it loses money in four out of its five operating areas -- it only makes profits in North America. 92% of Ford's COMPANY WIDE TOTAL PROFITS come from F-Series and to a lesser extent SUVs, so in reality North American truck buyers are subsidizing buyers in China (1M Ford vehicles sold annually at zero profit or a loss) and elsewhere.
Here's the data (I subscribe to ten investment related data sources (e.g. Barrons, Valueline, Morningstar, etc):
Ford -- 92% of company wide total profits are derived from F-Series, and to a smaller extent SUVs
GM -- 77% of company wide total profits are derived from light truck sales
Fiat/Chrysler -- 85% of company wide total profits are derived from Jeep, Ram sales
Sure it's ok to make profits, but it's pretty clear truck buyers (in some case profits on a single F-Series exceed 50%), are getting gouged horribly on price and end up subsidizing car buyers in China, South America, Europe, elsewhere where Ford is losing money across the board.
Likely the largest consumer ripoff ever recorded in North America. My view (and it's backed up with data) is US and Canadian truck buyers are getting taken to the cleaners -- of course they luv these vehicles (I do too), but it's seem unfair that companies continue money losing operations everywhere else at the expense of North America truck buyers.
North American truck buyers aren't subsidizing buyers in China. Ford made a profit in China last year, and in other years prior. Same goes for markets in Europe, South America, etc. Profits by region vary each year. This is nothing new to Ford or even the automotive industry. It happens all the time to global corporations. Ford and other automakers have a keen interest in keeping business in China because of China's projected growth over the next decade means more sales and larger profits in the coming years.
You claim to subscribe to investment data, but simple things such as looking at prior year profits and lack of understanding of global markets shows you don't understand a single thing you subscribe to.
By the way, no Ford doesn't make 50% profit on F-Series trucks. The average of an F-Series for 2018 is near $47,000 for an average profit of $10,000. That's not the first time you've made this false claim and were called out on it: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post18263793
Also in that link I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you posted misleading numbers, showing everyone your source of information and how you blatantly misused the data.
There is no consumer rip off. The only phony here is you and your misleading posts.
#12
12-14-2018, 10:17 AM
That`s a hefty sum for a XLT but then again, you are in Canada.
With that being said and as an example of the price you posted, believe it or not, that price in the US will get you two XLT`s, or a fully loaded Lariat, KR, Platinum, or even a Raptor if the dealer doesn`t go crazy with the mark up.
With that being said and as an example of the price you posted, believe it or not, that price in the US will get you two XLT`s, or a fully loaded Lariat, KR, Platinum, or even a Raptor if the dealer doesn`t go crazy with the mark up.
#15
12-14-2018, 02:47 PM
Yet another thread you've started with misleading and false information for the sole purpose of trolling.
North American truck buyers aren't subsidizing buyers in China. Ford made a profit in China last year, and in other years prior. Same goes for markets in Europe, South America, etc. Profits by region vary each year. This is nothing new to Ford or even the automotive industry. It happens all the time to global corporations. Ford and other automakers have a keen interest in keeping business in China because of China's projected growth over the next decade means more sales and larger profits in the coming years.
You claim to subscribe to investment data, but simple things such as looking at prior year profits and lack of understanding of global markets shows you don't understand a single thing you subscribe to.
By the way, no Ford doesn't make 50% profit on F-Series trucks. The average of an F-Series for 2018 is near $47,000 for an average profit of $10,000. That's not the first time you've made this false claim and were called out on it: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post18263793
Also in that link I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you posted misleading numbers, showing everyone your source of information and how you blatantly misused the data.
There is no consumer rip off. The only phony here is you and your misleading posts.
North American truck buyers aren't subsidizing buyers in China. Ford made a profit in China last year, and in other years prior. Same goes for markets in Europe, South America, etc. Profits by region vary each year. This is nothing new to Ford or even the automotive industry. It happens all the time to global corporations. Ford and other automakers have a keen interest in keeping business in China because of China's projected growth over the next decade means more sales and larger profits in the coming years.
You claim to subscribe to investment data, but simple things such as looking at prior year profits and lack of understanding of global markets shows you don't understand a single thing you subscribe to.
By the way, no Ford doesn't make 50% profit on F-Series trucks. The average of an F-Series for 2018 is near $47,000 for an average profit of $10,000. That's not the first time you've made this false claim and were called out on it: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post18263793
Also in that link I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you posted misleading numbers, showing everyone your source of information and how you blatantly misused the data.
There is no consumer rip off. The only phony here is you and your misleading posts.
1/22/2011: I bought a new 2011 F150 5.0L 2WD Stupor Crew, the MSRP was $39,990.00
The same truck in 2015 was a shade over 45 grand. One thing I noticed, some of the equipment that was standard equipment on the 2011, was now optional.