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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 08:17 AM
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4R100 Trans Pan??

IS there a "better" pan over the stocker made that would be of benefit to our transmissions?

I will be servicing MY 158k mile original trans for the 4th time in its life soon and thought I'd ask.

I recently asked and was told that the later 5speed Torqueshift ('08 up) pan & filter would not fit.-I was so hoping that it would because its a much better filter!!
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 08:28 AM
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Anyone running the Deralie pan here;

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It sure looks good to me...

I have had the "6.0" cooler on my L99 F-350 for YEARS, hardly any heavy towing, my trans, so far is perfect!

Still would LOVE to use the GREAT filter from an '08 up Torqueshift…….oh well....
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 11:13 AM
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The Derale pan looks great! If you want the bottom of your truck to look great, get this pan. If you think it will help your transmission, you're wrong.
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 12:42 PM
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Still love those responses! 😂😂
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
The Derale pan looks great! If you want the bottom of your truck to look great, get this pan. If you think it will help your transmission, you're wrong.
That's pretty deep Mark, but coming from you I have a lot respect for your opinions.

Please tell me; IF I WERE to get this fancy Derale pan-(I'm assuming its DEEPER than my 2wd pan) How the heck will the stock 2wd filter be able to reach the bottom of the Derale pan?

DOES the 4R100 come in 2wd and 4wd versions like the trans in my Rangers do?

I've never HAD a 4x4 4R100 to compare with.

Thanks!
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 07:13 PM
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The 4R100 did come in two pan depths. The Lightning had a shallow pan and all other 4R100s had the deep pan. That includes 4x4 and 4x2 models, they were all deep pans.

I have no idea if the stock filter will work with their pan.
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 11:42 PM
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For all the dissing we do of aftermarket transmission pans fitted to the E40D / 4R100, let's not forget that Ford produced a finned cast aluminum, deeper sump, higher capacity transmission pan for this application for a few years in the early aughts, that increased fluid capacity by 2 quarts.




 
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Old Oct 7, 2019 | 05:40 AM
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That looks really nice!
 
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Old Oct 7, 2019 | 02:43 PM
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I'm sure Ford Racing made good money on that pan because they knew they could.
 
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Old Oct 7, 2019 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by oharal
I'm sure Ford Racing made good money on that pan because they knew they could.
And yet they discontinued it.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2019 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Y2KW57
And yet they discontinued it.
Probably related to the discontinuation of the 4R100 it's meant to attach to, no?

The bottom line of deep pans is all they do is increase thermal mass of your fluid. That means it takes longer to reach operating temp (or perhaps overheat). One could argue a tiny improvement of cooling through the pan, but if someone ran the numbers (not me) they'd probably find any increase in surface area of the pan was more than offset by the increase in volume, therefore reducing the cooling through the pan.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2019 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by oharal
Probably related to the discontinuation of the 4R100 it's meant to attach to, no?
That Ford Racing pan disappeared before the 4R100 was replaced.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2019 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by oharal
Probably related to the discontinuation of the 4R100 it's meant to attach to, no?
No. See Y2's post.

The bottom line of deep pans is all they do is increase thermal mass of your fluid. That means it takes longer to reach operating temp (or perhaps overheat). One could argue a tiny improvement of cooling through the pan, but if someone ran the numbers (not me) they'd probably find any increase in surface area of the pan was more than offset by the increase in volume, therefore reducing the cooling through the pan.
Been reading @Mark Kovalsky posts, eh?

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Mark is an engineer... I am an engineer...we all use the same science
 
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Old Oct 8, 2019 | 02:44 PM
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In this thread, I'm not arguing in favor or against the use of an aftermarket finned cast aluminum transmission pan with increased fluid capacity.

Rather, in this thread, I am just wondering aloud why Ford produced one in the first place.

And then... why Ford discontinued it so soon.

The Ford 4R100 "flash in a pan" only appeared in one or two years of Ford Racing Catalogs... 2001 plus or minus one year. And then it was gone.
 
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