Brake Cylinders needed for '63 F-600 ..
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Brake Cylinders needed for '63 F-600 ..
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Following "Customcab's" suggestion, I've been searching through FTE for references to probs with obtaining new '63 F-600 brake cylinders .. I found a couple of references but nothing specific, so I'm throwing open my quest for suggestions on sourcing the following parts ;
1. 2x R/H Rear brake cylinders
2. 2x L/H Rear brake cylinders
3. 1x R/H Front brake cylinder
4. 1x L/H Front brake cylinder
5. All screw in unions to suit all brake cylinders, (I'll make up the pipes here)
6. Chrome Front Bumper for same
I'm restoring my recently imported '63 F600 Ramp Truck with a 292 Y-block V8, 4 speed manual box, & 2 speed rear end on a twin wheel axle ..
Please adv who I can contact to source parts for this beast .. There seems to be oodles of suppliers for F-1s and F-100s but nothing for the big Fs ..
Many thanks
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Following "Customcab's" suggestion, I've been searching through FTE for references to probs with obtaining new '63 F-600 brake cylinders .. I found a couple of references but nothing specific, so I'm throwing open my quest for suggestions on sourcing the following parts ;
1. 2x R/H Rear brake cylinders
2. 2x L/H Rear brake cylinders
3. 1x R/H Front brake cylinder
4. 1x L/H Front brake cylinder
5. All screw in unions to suit all brake cylinders, (I'll make up the pipes here)
6. Chrome Front Bumper for same
I'm restoring my recently imported '63 F600 Ramp Truck with a 292 Y-block V8, 4 speed manual box, & 2 speed rear end on a twin wheel axle ..
Please adv who I can contact to source parts for this beast .. There seems to be oodles of suppliers for F-1s and F-100s but nothing for the big Fs ..
Many thanks
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Hi all
Following "Customcab's" suggestion, I've been searching through FTE for references to probs with obtaining new '63 F-600 brake cylinders .. I found a couple of references but nothing specific, so I'm throwing open my quest for suggestions on sourcing the following parts:
1. 2x R/H Rear brake cylinders
2. 2x L/H Rear brake cylinders
3. 1x R/H Front brake cylinder
4. 1x L/H Front brake cylinder
5. All screw in unions to suit all brake cylinders, (I'll make up the pipes here)
6. Chrome Front Bumper for same. <!-- / message --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: ad_showthread_firstpost_sig --><!-- END TEMPLATE: ad_showthread_firstpost_sig -->
Following "Customcab's" suggestion, I've been searching through FTE for references to probs with obtaining new '63 F-600 brake cylinders .. I found a couple of references but nothing specific, so I'm throwing open my quest for suggestions on sourcing the following parts:
1. 2x R/H Rear brake cylinders
2. 2x L/H Rear brake cylinders
3. 1x R/H Front brake cylinder
4. 1x L/H Front brake cylinder
5. All screw in unions to suit all brake cylinders, (I'll make up the pipes here)
6. Chrome Front Bumper for same. <!-- / message --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: ad_showthread_firstpost_sig --><!-- END TEMPLATE: ad_showthread_firstpost_sig -->
There are myriad types and diameters of wheel cylinders used in these trucks. It all depends on the size of the front/rear brake shoes and the weight capacity of the front/rear axles.
To figure out what's correct, myself (or anyone else) will need to know the following:
What is the AXLE code found on the Warranty Plate? This is necessary to find out what the weight capacities of the axles are.
What are the sizes of the front & rear brake shoes?
The front brakes could be: 14" x 2 1/2" // 15" x 3" // 16" x 2 1/2"
The rear brakes could be: 15" x 4" // 15" x 4 1/2" // 15" x 5" // 15" x 6" // 16 1/2" x 4 1/2"
There is no factory chrome front bumper for these trucks, as Ford didn't offer one.
The F500/750 front bumper is not the same as used on F100/350's.
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Firstly welcome back after your illness .. I hope you haven't rushed back too soon .. This site wouldn't be the same without your sagely posts .. Take care ..
As promissed I will get the Warranty plate data, check the brake shoe sizes & I note your comment re the non availability of a Chrome Bumper ..
Cheers for your help ..
Paul
As promissed I will get the Warranty plate data, check the brake shoe sizes & I note your comment re the non availability of a Chrome Bumper ..
Cheers for your help ..
Paul
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Response to NumberDummy re brake Cylinders for '63 F-600
Much more info is needed...when working on the brakes of an F600.
There are myriad types and diameters of wheel cylinders used in these trucks. It all depends on the size of the front/rear brake shoes and the weight capacity of the front/rear axles.
To figure out what's correct, myself (or anyone else) will need to know the following:
What is the AXLE code found on the Warranty Plate? This is necessary to find out what the weight capacities of the axles are.
What are the sizes of the front & rear brake shoes?
The front brakes could be: 14" x 2 1/2" // 15" x 3" // 16" x 2 1/2"
The rear brakes could be: 15" x 4" // 15" x 4 1/2" // 15" x 5" // 15" x 6" // 16 1/2" x 4 1/2"
There is no factory chrome front bumper for these trucks, as Ford didn't offer one.
The F500/750 front bumper is not the same as used on F100/350's.
There are myriad types and diameters of wheel cylinders used in these trucks. It all depends on the size of the front/rear brake shoes and the weight capacity of the front/rear axles.
To figure out what's correct, myself (or anyone else) will need to know the following:
What is the AXLE code found on the Warranty Plate? This is necessary to find out what the weight capacities of the axles are.
What are the sizes of the front & rear brake shoes?
The front brakes could be: 14" x 2 1/2" // 15" x 3" // 16" x 2 1/2"
The rear brakes could be: 15" x 4" // 15" x 4 1/2" // 15" x 5" // 15" x 6" // 16 1/2" x 4 1/2"
There is no factory chrome front bumper for these trucks, as Ford didn't offer one.
The F500/750 front bumper is not the same as used on F100/350's.
Warranty # - F60CG431539
WB - 174
COLOR - J
MODEL - F600
BODY - 81A
TRANS - F
AXLE - F2
MAX GVW LBS - 17000
CERT NET HP - 135
RPM - 3800
DSO - 33
Front brake shoes 14" x 2 1/2"
Rear brake shoes 15" x 4"
Wheel Diameter 21 1/2"
Let's hope the above data enables the ID of my brake cylinder requirements ..
Look fwd to further info as & when ..
Cheers
Paul
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Re your request for Warranty Plate data ;
Warranty # - F60CG431539
F60 = F600 2WD
C = 292 2V
G = Chicago IL Assembly Plant.
431539 = 1963, assembled July 1963.
WB - 174
COLOR - J
MODEL - F600
BODY - 81A
TRANS - F Borg Warner T-98 4 Speed Manual Transmission.
AXLE - F2 Eaton 2 Speed Rear Axle // 6.33-1/8.81-1 // 15,000 lb. rear axle capacity // 4,000-5,500 lb. front axle capacity.
MAX GVW LBS - 17000
CERT NET HP - 135
RPM - 3800
DSO - 33
Front brake shoes 14" x 2 1/2"
Rear brake shoes 15" x 4"
Wheel Diameter 21 1/2"
Let's hope the above data enables the ID of my brake cylinder requirements ..
Look fwd to further info as & when ..
Cheers
Paul
Warranty # - F60CG431539
F60 = F600 2WD
C = 292 2V
G = Chicago IL Assembly Plant.
431539 = 1963, assembled July 1963.
WB - 174
COLOR - J
MODEL - F600
BODY - 81A
TRANS - F Borg Warner T-98 4 Speed Manual Transmission.
AXLE - F2 Eaton 2 Speed Rear Axle // 6.33-1/8.81-1 // 15,000 lb. rear axle capacity // 4,000-5,500 lb. front axle capacity.
MAX GVW LBS - 17000
CERT NET HP - 135
RPM - 3800
DSO - 33
Front brake shoes 14" x 2 1/2"
Rear brake shoes 15" x 4"
Wheel Diameter 21 1/2"
Let's hope the above data enables the ID of my brake cylinder requirements ..
Look fwd to further info as & when ..
Cheers
Paul
GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati Ohio has 2 = 001-513-731-3304 (greensalescompany.com)
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1) C3TZ2062A .. Left Front Wheel Cylinder-1" / Obsolete
ED BENNETT FORD PARTS in Lebanon Pennsylvania has 2 = 001-717-272-8762.
GREEN SALES CO has 3.
==================
Originally, there were right and left rear wheel cylinders. At some point (prolly in 1964), FoMoCo replaced the right side with the left side.
2) COTT2261A .. Right Rear Wheel Cylinder-1 1/2" // Upper/Lower is the same / Obsolete
No Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has any.
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4) COTT2262A (replaced COTT2261A) Right & Left Rear Wheel Cylinder // Upper/Lower is the same / Obsolete
DON SANDERSON FORD in Glendale Arizona has 11 = 001-623-842-8762.
GREEN SALES CO has 27.
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Sanderson will be cheaper than Green Sales, but...
Green Sales will ship to Europe, I dunno if the other sources will.
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Hey, ND, I saw your note here about replacing the right side wheel cylinders with the left side. Did they do this in the F-100's too? Had a heck of a time locating a right side and finally ended up re plumbing the axle to use a left on the right.
Sorry for the hijack, TR.
Sorry for the hijack, TR.
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They're the same as...and fit a gazillion different passenger cars!
D3ZZ2261A (replaced D2ZZ2261A, C6OZ2261A, C3AZ2261A and B7A2261A) .. Right Rear Wheel Cylinder-7/8" / Obsolete
D3ZZ2262A .(replaced D2ZZ2262A, C6OZ2262A, C3AZ2262A and B7A2262A) .. Left Rear Wheel Cylinder-7/8" / Obsolete
Fits: 1957/72 F100 / 1957/64 Full sized Ford's / 1966/73 Mustang / 1963/69 Fairlane/Torino/Montego/Comet/Falcon / 1967/73 Cougar / 1974/75 Maverick/Comet...and etc!
Now...if you said you had trouble finding a 1905 Colt Auto (the forerunner of the 1911), I could understand it. Like WRACo Model 1895 Flatsides, these puppies are very hard to find.
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Many thanks -
1) C3TZ2061A .. Right Front Wheel Cylinder-1" / Obsolete
GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati Ohio has 2 = 001-513-731-3304 (greensalescompany.com)
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1) C3TZ2062A .. Left Front Wheel Cylinder-1" / Obsolete
ED BENNETT FORD PARTS in Lebanon Pennsylvania has 2 = 001-717-272-8762.
GREEN SALES CO has 3.
==================
Originally, there were right and left rear wheel cylinders. At some point (prolly in 1964), FoMoCo replaced the right side with the left side.
2) COTT2261A .. Right Rear Wheel Cylinder-1 1/2" // Upper/Lower is the same / Obsolete
No Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has any.
-----------------------------------------------
4) COTT2262A (replaced COTT2261A) Right & Left Rear Wheel Cylinder // Upper/Lower is the same / Obsolete
DON SANDERSON FORD in Glendale Arizona has 11 = 001-623-842-8762.
GREEN SALES CO has 27.
-------------------------
Sanderson will be cheaper than Green Sales, but...
Green Sales will ship to Europe, I dunno if the other sources will.
GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati Ohio has 2 = 001-513-731-3304 (greensalescompany.com)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) C3TZ2062A .. Left Front Wheel Cylinder-1" / Obsolete
ED BENNETT FORD PARTS in Lebanon Pennsylvania has 2 = 001-717-272-8762.
GREEN SALES CO has 3.
==================
Originally, there were right and left rear wheel cylinders. At some point (prolly in 1964), FoMoCo replaced the right side with the left side.
2) COTT2261A .. Right Rear Wheel Cylinder-1 1/2" // Upper/Lower is the same / Obsolete
No Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has any.
-----------------------------------------------
4) COTT2262A (replaced COTT2261A) Right & Left Rear Wheel Cylinder // Upper/Lower is the same / Obsolete
DON SANDERSON FORD in Glendale Arizona has 11 = 001-623-842-8762.
GREEN SALES CO has 27.
-------------------------
Sanderson will be cheaper than Green Sales, but...
Green Sales will ship to Europe, I dunno if the other sources will.
I think I'll try to get from one source as I'll save on carriage costs .. It's coming across the pond so it's always the best plan ..
BTW Does anyone know if these beasts were officially imported to UK or Europe by FMC ? ..
No probs with the hijack OC, as I also have a number of other Ford vehicles including a '52 F-1 so it's all of interest ..
Thanks again ..
Paul
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The USAF in Europe (Ramstein AFB in Germany for example) prolly had some, but that's about it.
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John, I actually got 3 different wheel cylinders with 2 different part numbers on the box and they were all 3 identicle. Wagner's, not OEM. Gave up and just replumbed the axle. It really needed the new pipe anyway.
My personal sidearm is my dad's 1911. According to the serial# it was part of a big batch sold to the Navy in 1918. I shoot it at least monthly.
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Help please ND ...
1) C3TZ2061A .. Right Front Wheel Cylinder-1" / Obsolete
GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati Ohio has 2 = 001-513-731-3304 (greensalescompany.com)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) C3TZ2062A .. Left Front Wheel Cylinder-1" / Obsolete
ED BENNETT FORD PARTS in Lebanon Pennsylvania has 2 = 001-717-272-8762.
GREEN SALES CO has 3.
==================
Originally, there were right and left rear wheel cylinders. At some point (prolly in 1964), FoMoCo replaced the right side with the left side.
2) COTT2261A .. Right Rear Wheel Cylinder-1 1/2" // Upper/Lower is the same / Obsolete
No Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has any.
-----------------------------------------------
4) COTT2262A (replaced COTT2261A) Right & Left Rear Wheel Cylinder // Upper/Lower is the same / Obsolete
DON SANDERSON FORD in Glendale Arizona has 11 = 001-623-842-8762.
GREEN SALES CO has 27.
-------------------------
Sanderson will be cheaper than Green Sales, but...
Green Sales will ship to Europe, I dunno if the other sources will.
GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati Ohio has 2 = 001-513-731-3304 (greensalescompany.com)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) C3TZ2062A .. Left Front Wheel Cylinder-1" / Obsolete
ED BENNETT FORD PARTS in Lebanon Pennsylvania has 2 = 001-717-272-8762.
GREEN SALES CO has 3.
==================
Originally, there were right and left rear wheel cylinders. At some point (prolly in 1964), FoMoCo replaced the right side with the left side.
2) COTT2261A .. Right Rear Wheel Cylinder-1 1/2" // Upper/Lower is the same / Obsolete
No Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has any.
-----------------------------------------------
4) COTT2262A (replaced COTT2261A) Right & Left Rear Wheel Cylinder // Upper/Lower is the same / Obsolete
DON SANDERSON FORD in Glendale Arizona has 11 = 001-623-842-8762.
GREEN SALES CO has 27.
-------------------------
Sanderson will be cheaper than Green Sales, but...
Green Sales will ship to Europe, I dunno if the other sources will.
1. Halfshaft Gaskets for rear axle on same vehicle
2. Brake pipes .. (If not available, what are the #s for just the pipe end fittings ?)
3. Brake Adjusters to fit above cylinders
4. Bleed Nipples for same
Many thanks
Paul
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Since you're prolly buying the wheel cylinders from Green Sales, ask them to look up the other stuff, as I'd rather not have to do it, considering the state of my health.
I don't get paid (by anyone) for doing this jazz, and looking up all these parts...then listing them...is a time consuming chore.
Green Sales does not charge for research and will prolly have all the parts.
You can pass this brake info along: 1957/63 Ford Truck Parts Catalog =
Front brake parts: Text-Section 20.1 / Parts List # 7.
Rear brake parts: Text-Section 22.1 / Parts List # 9.
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Thanks for all your help ..
The brake lines were not available from Ford, they had to be made up from bulk tubing, nuts & ferrules. There are no specific part numbers for these parts.
Since you're prolly buying the wheel cylinders from Green Sales, ask them to look up the other stuff, as I'd rather not have to do it, considering the state of my health.
I don't get paid (by anyone) for doing this jazz, and looking up all these parts...then listing them...is a time consuming chore.
Green Sales does not charge for research and will prolly have all the parts.
You can pass this brake info along: 1957/63 Ford Truck Parts Catalog =
Front brake parts: Text-Section 20.1 / Parts List # 7.
Rear brake parts: Text-Section 22.1 / Parts List # 9.
Since you're prolly buying the wheel cylinders from Green Sales, ask them to look up the other stuff, as I'd rather not have to do it, considering the state of my health.
I don't get paid (by anyone) for doing this jazz, and looking up all these parts...then listing them...is a time consuming chore.
Green Sales does not charge for research and will prolly have all the parts.
You can pass this brake info along: 1957/63 Ford Truck Parts Catalog =
Front brake parts: Text-Section 20.1 / Parts List # 7.
Rear brake parts: Text-Section 22.1 / Parts List # 9.
OTHER PARTS # CHASERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE & LET BILL GET HIS MUCH DESERVED R & R ..
I thought you were taking on too much, too soon to be good for your health .. Your talking to someone who after the removal of a brain tumor, took best part of 2 years to get back up to speed & I don't know that I'm quite there even now .. You take it easy Bill, & get yourself REALLY fit again soon ..
Cheers
Paul
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