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More questions on my 64 F100...
Hey guys. This is my first manual tranny in many years. I'm confused by the owner's manual. For the fluid it says, "Engine Oil (MIL-L-2104-A) SAE 50 or Straight Mineral Oil Gear Lubricant (with no EP additives) SAE 90 for prevailing temperatures above 10 F..." What's that mean and what fluid goes in my 3 speed manual?
Also, looking at the illustrations: the front end of my truck is different. I have turn signals in the hood instead of the grille. But the VIN confirms a 1964. So I guess that means it's had a nose job? What year is the front of this truck?
Also, thinking about switching to floor shift. Any advice? Are there supporting vendors here who sell shifters for these trucks? Any success or horror stories?
Finally, I'm looking at wheels from an E-150 van. They say they'll fit 92-96 F-150 trucks, too. So those wheels should fit OK on my 64, right?
Sorry for so many more questions, but I'm in uncharted waters here (for me anyway). As always: thanks in advance.
~ Rob
Also, looking at the illustrations: the front end of my truck is different. I have turn signals in the hood instead of the grille. But the VIN confirms a 1964. So I guess that means it's had a nose job? What year is the front of this truck?
Also, thinking about switching to floor shift. Any advice? Are there supporting vendors here who sell shifters for these trucks? Any success or horror stories?
Finally, I'm looking at wheels from an E-150 van. They say they'll fit 92-96 F-150 trucks, too. So those wheels should fit OK on my 64, right?
Sorry for so many more questions, but I'm in uncharted waters here (for me anyway). As always: thanks in advance.
~ Rob
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Rob, These trucks could have been reconstructed more than once in 40 years.
There is an obsession around here with VIN numbers. All that tells you is how it was built and left the factory assembly line. Engines and drive lines are easily swapped and trucks customized.
The truck in the photo appears to be a 66. My own truck's title begins F25 indicating F250 when it is a F10 or F100. I have replaced the engine, 3spd tranny, front suspension, rear gearing, seat, wiper motor, among other things.
I stated that to suggest that we can help decipher what you actually have. In 65 Ford went from single straight axles to twin I-beam along with major chassis changes, that parts don't easily interchange with. They also changed engine family groups that are easily unidentifiable.
First question, Does your truck have a single axle or twins? Does your truck have a I-6 or V8 engine? If I-6 is the intake manifold on the drivers side or passenger? If V8 Does it have a exhaust manifold pipe that crosses at the top front of the engine, or does the intake go under the valve covers?
These are a few things that will get IDing the truck underway.
John
There is an obsession around here with VIN numbers. All that tells you is how it was built and left the factory assembly line. Engines and drive lines are easily swapped and trucks customized.
The truck in the photo appears to be a 66. My own truck's title begins F25 indicating F250 when it is a F10 or F100. I have replaced the engine, 3spd tranny, front suspension, rear gearing, seat, wiper motor, among other things.
I stated that to suggest that we can help decipher what you actually have. In 65 Ford went from single straight axles to twin I-beam along with major chassis changes, that parts don't easily interchange with. They also changed engine family groups that are easily unidentifiable.
First question, Does your truck have a single axle or twins? Does your truck have a I-6 or V8 engine? If I-6 is the intake manifold on the drivers side or passenger? If V8 Does it have a exhaust manifold pipe that crosses at the top front of the engine, or does the intake go under the valve covers?
These are a few things that will get IDing the truck underway.
John
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Thanks dawg, I wish I had that info before spending the time pecking out what I did.
The 64 has a 66 nose.
John
The 64 has a 66 nose.
John
Thanks! You figured it out before I could respond. I wonder if there's any value in taking it back to original. There's another 64 near me that doesn't run that I might could get for parts.
Anyone have any suggestions on the other stuff I asked about? Tans fluid? Shifter conversion? E-150 wheels?
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Rob, Those old trannys used single weight gear oil, but I am not sure off the top of my head other than 90 wt. what was used. I also don't think it is critical to change, so get the info and do it when you can. Look on the side of the tranny for a thin metal tag, it should have oil requirements on it or on the case itself.
As far as value is concerned, it matters to you mostly. I doubt it make it worth any more or less.
You just bought it, I'm sure someone else would too, since there were 9 bidders on the auction.
As for the wheels measure them for fit. They are 5 on 5.5". Get a tape measure and measure from the edge of one to the center of the second one. Check yours and then the van. If they are the same they will fit.
There are some years that the Es used a different bolt pattern. You can always test fit one before laying down your money too. There are a couple odd ***** but most 1/2 ton Ford trucks used the same bolt pattern from the mid 50s to 96, 97 Ford changed to Metric.
John
As far as value is concerned, it matters to you mostly. I doubt it make it worth any more or less.
You just bought it, I'm sure someone else would too, since there were 9 bidders on the auction.
As for the wheels measure them for fit. They are 5 on 5.5". Get a tape measure and measure from the edge of one to the center of the second one. Check yours and then the van. If they are the same they will fit.
There are some years that the Es used a different bolt pattern. You can always test fit one before laying down your money too. There are a couple odd ***** but most 1/2 ton Ford trucks used the same bolt pattern from the mid 50s to 96, 97 Ford changed to Metric.
John
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you live in hot country,use a 90 after you have let it drain,one thing you do not wish to do is mix mineral with any other oils, It will foam up and not lube any thing. use the 90 first drive and listen to the gear box, if it is a little loud, go up 85/120 or 140. mineral oil is about a 50 weight oil, it is thin enough to get into all the moving parts, but the days of light tourqe engines is over so you need some thing that will clinge to the gears and maintain a good oil film, this helps to protect the metal and prevents the ware of case hardning on the gears. smell is another way to tell if your oil is to thin, if you smell gear oil you need more protection.JNT
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Originally Posted by jowilker
Rob, Those old trannys used single weight gear oil, but I am not sure off the top of my head other than 90 wt. what was used. I also don't think it is critical to change, so get the info and do it when you can. Look on the side of the tranny for a thin metal tag, it should have oil requirements on it or on the case itself.
As far as value is concerned, it matters to you mostly. I doubt it make it worth any more or less.
You just bought it, I'm sure someone else would too, since there were 9 bidders on the auction.
As for the wheels measure them for fit. They are 5 on 5.5". Get a tape measure and measure from the edge of one to the center of the second one. Check yours and then the van. If they are the same they will fit.
There are some years that the Es used a different bolt pattern. You can always test fit one before laying down your money too. There are a couple odd ***** but most 1/2 ton Ford trucks used the same bolt pattern from the mid 50s to 96, 97 Ford changed to Metric.
John
As far as value is concerned, it matters to you mostly. I doubt it make it worth any more or less.
You just bought it, I'm sure someone else would too, since there were 9 bidders on the auction.
As for the wheels measure them for fit. They are 5 on 5.5". Get a tape measure and measure from the edge of one to the center of the second one. Check yours and then the van. If they are the same they will fit.
There are some years that the Es used a different bolt pattern. You can always test fit one before laying down your money too. There are a couple odd ***** but most 1/2 ton Ford trucks used the same bolt pattern from the mid 50s to 96, 97 Ford changed to Metric.
John
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you live in hot country,use a 90 after you have let it drain,one thing you do not wish to do is mix mineral with any other oils, It will foam up and not lube any thing. use the 90 first drive and listen to the gear box, if it is a little loud, go up 85/120 or 140. mineral oil is about a 50 weight oil, it is thin enough to get into all the moving parts, but the days of light tourqe engines is over so you need some thing that will clinge to the gears and maintain a good oil film, this helps to protect the metal and prevents the ware of case hardning on the gears. smell is another way to tell if your oil is to thin, if you smell gear oil you need more protection.JNT
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