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Old Oct 8, 2016 | 08:27 PM
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Pissed off with all this emissions crap

Now throwing a code to do with the crankshaft ventilation code stays on then goes away stays on then goes away yada yada seriously considering deleting everything what are the pros and cons of it I live in Washington State I believe I don't need to run emissions anyone familiar with this state here's my door sticker I cannot figure out or actually do not know how to find out my curb weight help all please
 
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Old Oct 8, 2016 | 08:44 PM
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Finding your curb weight involves taking it to a scale. That number isn't listed anywhere on the truck.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2016 | 10:26 PM
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The emissions are a Federally mandated matter, not a state by state option.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2016 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jonrjen
The emissions are a Federally mandated matter, not a state by state option.
Yep, but there is no federal annual inspection...

Pro's - Better for the motor (no egr) - More power - No DEF required - No EGT sensors to go bad - No NOX sensors to go bad.

Con's - Potential Warranty Voiding, Potential to get caught bypassing emmissions (EPA), could run too hot a tune and break things, you'll go through tires faster, might pull a facial muscle from smiling so much. Might be harder to trade in or you will need to put it all back on.

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I toy with this from time to time myself. The cost is high to do it as well. Usually around $2k in parts.
 
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Old Oct 10, 2016 | 01:28 PM
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No real problems other than a few bad EGR sensors and a faulty DEF tank sensor, but my DPF is getting more clogged these days. In about a week or two it is all going bye-bye.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2016 | 07:16 PM
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Deleted my 6.4. It was a fantastic improvement. No diesel inspections here in GA. and in the 15 years I've been driving super duty diesels I have never heard of a non commercial truck being inspected for factory emissions equipment. I have heard that California does spot inspections so I didn't go there in my 6.4L

However, I did manage to have a senior moment and tow with my H&S tuner set on #2 (you may take that #2 any way you like). Anyway, I towed my 5er over mount eagle TN. which to you westerners is a mole hill. Still I managed to blow a head gasket and the repairs and a couple minor upgrades while the heads were off cost me around 5500 skins. Then the truck got totaled and it didn't matter. I drive the 6.7L stock but I'm always tempted to delete and may if it goes out of warranty while I still own it. They do become much better trucks deleted.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2016 | 10:19 PM
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You can get close estimation of curb weight by taking the GVWR# of 11,500 and subtracting the maximum cargo capacity number shown on the tire and wheel loading sticker (yellow and white in color, near the GVW sticker you took pic of, has tire psi info as well).
 
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Old Oct 12, 2016 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jonrjen
The emissions are a Federally mandated matter, not a state by state option.
Originally Posted by Dakster
Yep, but there is no federal annual inspection...
Look for this to change very very soon..... I won't get into the politics of it, but HRC has now teamed up with Al Gore... If she gets in, one of her top priorities is global warming and ultimately the elimination of internal combustion engines. But before we go there, there will be a strangle-hold on all vehicles to meet the emissions specifications for their year of manufacturer... This will happen within two years.
I will bet my 401k on it...
 
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Old Oct 12, 2016 | 09:21 AM
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It's definitely coming. Anyone with a deleted vehicle hopefully saved all their parts if you get mandated to go back to stock. Right or wrong it's a win for the OEM (you end up spending repair money to fix the emissions products as they fail) and a win for the environmental movement, both very large and financially strong groups. The smaller group of diesel owners that may have seen gains from their delete don't have a large enough voice or population to ultimately win this coming storm. It may push some people away from diesel ownership and over to gas.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2016 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MG250
It's definitely coming. Anyone with a deleted vehicle hopefully saved all their parts if you get mandated to go back to stock. Right or wrong it's a win for the OEM (you end up spending repair money to fix the emissions products as they fail) and a win for the environmental movement, both very large and financially strong groups. The smaller group of diesel owners that may have seen gains from their delete don't have a large enough voice or population to ultimately win this coming storm. It may push some people away from diesel ownership and over to gas.
You've hit multiple nails there...
In particular - I just traded my 2015 6.7 truck for a 2017 Gasser... The emissions and complexity of the new / modern diesels are too far over the edge for me.
I have chosen to go back to gas and just realize that I have less power and will need to slow down a bit. I can't justify the liability of owning one of these modern diesels - particularly one that is out of warranty and will need to be emissions compliant...
 
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Old Oct 12, 2016 | 10:20 AM
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Hmm well after reading this that kind of shoots down my thought of deleting my 2015 6.7. I almost pulled the trigger last night on a complete delete with tuners and the whole 9. Maybe I'll just keep it stock if all this info could hold true.. I just wanted alittle better fuel mileage..
 
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Old Oct 12, 2016 | 02:43 PM
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Germany just banned all new ICE vehicles after model year 2030. So I am with StanleyZ/ and Randy here on this.

Staying out of the politics of it as well - just my own thoughts on how this will happen. Easiest way to get people away from diesels or gas vehicles is to significantly raise the price of fuel. That way you hit all the existing vehicles on the road too. I like to think that in the USA anything already built will be grandfathered in, like they are now. Your 1970 Caprice doesn't have to meet 2015 gas emission standards as an example. (California commercial vehicles excluded from that statement)

However, electric companies are already raising rates, so if you have to charge at home, it is quickly becoming "no bargain" to do so. Alternative energy starts to look like a better option as the ROI goes down to a couple of years. (from at least 8-10 in most places now).

Personally, if it meant getting rid of electric rate increases I am for putting solar panels and a wind turbine on my house. But that ROI has to make sense.

What I do see in the short term is that some sort of exemption for tow vehicles, I don't see a pickup having enough space for batteries to be able to pull a fiver or 45' Class A down the road and recharge as quick as you can pump 200 gal of diesel in. And THAT lobby is HUGE. It's already difficult in some areas to find gas/diesel, not to mention a place to plug in a 200 AMP charger...

One issue no one has really touched on either - we are seeing huge mines for lithium being created for the 1% of cars that are sold with battery packs in it, just where are we going to get the raw materials for the remaining 99%? Hydrogen is no bargain either - most of that is created with natural gas if I understand it correctly.

I buy and use what I need today - I'll make whatever adjustments I need to tomorrow when tomorrow is here.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2016 | 03:49 PM
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When I hit 100k I'm going to delete. Just too paranoid about the warranty issues or I would do it now.
By the time we hit, if we ever do, the big ban I'll deal with it then.
Hadn't heard of Germany's ICE ban. Is that for real?? If it is I bet Porsche is just thrilled...
 
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Old Oct 13, 2016 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ssunit1
When I hit 100k I'm going to delete. Just too paranoid about the warranty issues or I would do it now.
By the time we hit, if we ever do, the big ban I'll deal with it then.
Hadn't heard of Germany's ICE ban. Is that for real?? If it is I bet Porsche is just thrilled...
3 days ago major news outlets were reporting of a bad in Germany by 2030. Now they are posting an article that the germany transport minister has said that is nonsense.

This article explains it well (IMHO): http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelsc.../#22c67c084a9e
 
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Old Oct 14, 2016 | 08:40 AM
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The last I had read about Germany's ICE ban starting in 2030 was that it was not mandatory. It has no teeth (yet).
 
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