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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 10:16 AM
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water in spark plug recess

1997 f-150, 4.6, 147K miles. Have posted many times and always got the right answer. This one should be easy but I have to know for sure. This morning I started the truck and the engine light was on. Felt a miss in the engine. Drove 1 mile and back then checked the wires. Found one not firing. Traced it back to the plug. When I pulled the plug boot off I noticed water in the recess, surrounding the plug. Once I blow out the water, I'll checjk the plug but I would like to know if this is a natural occurrence. I thought the boot would prevent water from filling the recess and sitting there. Or does the water just evaporate when the engine gets hot? Thanks.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 04:40 PM
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Which cylinder is it?
Very often the #3 and 4 will get water from a leaking heater hose above it.
Sometimes the cowl seal lets water in from the outside.
And no the well boot is not water tight on a reliable basis.
Once water gets in the closed well has a hard time letting the steam all out in any reasonable time frame.
Until then it's beating the H*ll out of the cats on that bank with raw gas passing through and burning in the first cat.
Good luck.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 10:35 PM
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see if its water or antifreeze.. Also with the constant short to ground, you can burn out the wire (spring) between the coil and plug if you wait too long.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 10:47 PM
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Yes it it possible for dirt/water to get past the coil pack boot. If the pack is still good you can buy the boots separate.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 06:52 AM
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Thanks to all. Steve, It's just water, I'm thinking rain water from a heavy storm. Blew it out, removed the plug and found the gap was open too far. Re-gaped it and disonnected the battery to reset the light. No more miss so far. I'm planning to replace wires (about 8 years old) and plugs ( about 1 year, don't know what happened to it).
 
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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 07:16 AM
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As mentioned it can take a loooong time to dry it out with the wire on the plug. Even with the heat of the motor it still stays wet in that hole. When mine acts up, when I park it i will pull the wire and let it sit so it can evaporate. Mine was always clear water and it drove me nuts trying to figure out where it would come from when it would happen after no rain. I don't use the air much here in Minnesota, but it seemed to happen after hard use on a really humid day.What was happening was the condensation from some of the lines would get into that valley between the valve cover and the intake. Then the water would roll back and forth and drop into whatever boot was the easiest.#4 and 3 are the most common, but last time it was in #2. Also don't overlook the squirter on the hood. That can leak rainwater and drip right down into that area.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2012 | 09:02 PM
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Water in spark plug holes.

How do you stop rain water from getting into the engine compartment so that it can get into the spark plug holes. I can't drive my 2000 Ford F250 V-10 pickup in the rain and can't wash it in a car wash. It didn't do this when I bought it 10 years ago. Whats going on??
 
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Old Nov 13, 2012 | 09:56 PM
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Have you looked at the hood to cowel rubber seal confition?
 
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Old Nov 13, 2012 | 11:05 PM
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Do you see rust lines? Or you may have insulation break down from old age of the ignition compontents that raise their lovely heads when humidity is very high. Like driving behind a Semi at 65 MPH during a cloud burst. Also see if you have a weather guard out of place in front by the radiator or below.
 
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 07:39 AM
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Next time it acts up after getting wet, slowly crack open the hood and look inside...it should be obvious where the water is coming in. It doesn't take much water to get into a spark plug hole to make it run awful.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2012 | 04:19 PM
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Water in spark plug holes.

Originally Posted by Bluegrass 7
Have you looked at the hood to cowel rubber seal confition?
Thank you for your suggestion.

The water is ususally in numbers 3, 4, 5, 7 and sometimes others in the same areas.

I placed some strips of typing paper (appx 1" wide) between the hood and the cowl and closed the hood. When I pulled the strips of paper out there was measurable resistance so I am pretty sure the rubber seal is ok. It looks fine. The water does affect the numbers I have listed above the most.

How do I check to see if it is coming in around the left side windshield washer nozzle?
 
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Old Nov 16, 2012 | 04:22 PM
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Smile Water in the spark plug holes.

Originally Posted by Spotty
Next time it acts up after getting wet, slowly crack open the hood and look inside...it should be obvious where the water is coming in. It doesn't take much water to get into a spark plug hole to make it run awful.
Thanks for the response.

It has not rained enough to check out your suggestion but I am still waiting.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2012 | 08:23 PM
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After "thinking" mine was a lot of different things, it finally turned out to be the passenger side washer nozzle. After a rain all night i started it up and chnka' chunka'. Slowly open the hood and right below the nozzle was a puddle of water sitting on that plastic shroud that has all that electrical stuff behind it. A little stream was coming off that DIRECTLY down into the valley that all the plugs were in. I pulled all the wires for 1-4 and 3-4 were about full.....unreal...Blew them out with air till dry. Was able to get under the nozzle and pop it out (you can leave the hose on it), little dab of silicon under it and snapped it back in. End of story....
 
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Old Nov 16, 2012 | 08:35 PM
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Water in spark plug holes.

Originally Posted by Spotty
After "thinking" mine was a lot of different things, it finally turned out to be the passenger side washer nozzle. After a rain all night i started it up and chnka' chunka'. Slowly open the hood and right below the nozzle was a puddle of water sitting on that plastic shroud that has all that electrical stuff behind it. A little stream was coming off that DIRECTLY down into the valley that all the plugs were in. I pulled all the wires for 1-4 and 3-4 were about full.....unreal...Blew them out with air till dry. Was able to get under the nozzle and pop it out (you can leave the hose on it), little dab of silicon under it and snapped it back in. End of story....
Thanks Spotty - do you pop the nozzle out from the top where the squirter is?
 
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Old Nov 16, 2012 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by zinger3006
How do you stop rain water from getting into the engine compartment so that it can get into the spark plug holes. I can't drive my 2000 Ford F250 V-10 pickup in the rain and can't wash it in a car wash. It didn't do this when I bought it 10 years ago. Whats going on??
Older COP boots take shape when exposed to heat for long periods of time. Once you remove them to change plugs I've found they don't seal so well afterwards due to the deformities. You should install new boots when plugs are changed to prevent water from working down to the plugs well. Also a "small" film of dielectric grease should be applied just on the inside edge of the boot which seals the plugs' porcelain to the boot so misfires don't occur from moisture wicking up between the plug and boot. I also put a small amount of dielectric grease on the ribs of the boot to help seal the top of the boot to the plug well.
 
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