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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 09:06 AM
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The reason is called "TAXES" Money for the idiots running this country and their pork barrel projects.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 09:12 AM
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It's the same everywhere

Actually Perry has a good point, diesel was less expensive in Europe too, for a time ...
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 09:18 AM
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It's the same everywhere

Actually Perry has a good point, diesel was less expensive in Europe too, for a time ...
What makes you think the politicians over there are any diff. than the ones here.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 69cj
The reason is called "TAXES" Money for the idiots running this country and their pork barrel projects.
It's not just that. Diesel is used in a lot of things, more so then in transportation fuel as the majority of transportation is done be gasoline engines(atleast at our level).
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 09:34 AM
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What makes you think the politicians over there are any diff. than the ones here.
Only in one aspect, language Otherwise they dress the same and usually by the time you've heard through their answer you can't remember the question you asked ...
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 10:16 AM
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Well, my 2 cents ... Being in Europe, I'm not sure to believe this. Europe has been designing and using diesel or gas high pressure engines, not high pressure oil. Ask mecanics here, they can hardly believe the PSD is oil hp driven. Now only does the 6.7L function the same way than an european design, eg diesel common rail.
Just to be accurate, the 7.3 and 6.0L engines used high pressure oil. Which I assume what the best technology at the time of their design. The 6.4 and 6.7 use high pressure fuel and piezo-electric injectors.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dchamberlain
Just to be accurate, the 7.3 and 6.0L engines used high pressure oil. Which I assume what the best technology at the time of their design. The 6.4 and 6.7 use high pressure fuel and piezo-electric injectors.
Ok, thanks for the precision. I'm not familiar with the 6.4L, they are quite rare in Europe.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 06:44 PM
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we have a few states with a 50 cetain rating. Ca being one of them. the rest of the country blows for fuel quality. I wish they would fix that, but something tells me its comming.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 07:09 PM
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we have a few states with a 50 cetain rating. Ca being one of them. the rest of the country blows for fuel quality. I wish they would fix that, but something tells me its comming.
If the EPA wants to continue increasing requirements they definitely need too.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dchamberlain
Just to be accurate, the 7.3 and 6.0L engines used high pressure oil. Which I assume what the best technology at the time of their design. The 6.4 and 6.7 use high pressure fuel and piezo-electric injectors.
I would say that when the 7.3 was released the HEUI was leading technology because it was the first electronically controlled injection system.

When the 6.0 was released the HEUI was old technology that was near its end and common rail systems was/is the leading technology.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 07:30 PM
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If the EPA wants to continue increasing requirements they definitely need too.
And most likely the price of diesel will reflect this change!
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 07:39 PM
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And most likely the price of diesel will reflect this change!
Isn't that a given? Wether they delete or add a process it always costs the consumers more. We are the dupes and our elected officials go right along with it because they are in the payroll loop somewhere in the process.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 08:30 PM
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I would say that when the 7.3 was released the HEUI was leading technology because it was the first electronically controlled injection system.

When the 6.0 was released the HEUI was old technology that was near its end and common rail systems was/is the leading technology.
The reason international did this is based on reliability in comercial trucks. Instead of 1 hp fuel pump feeding a rail they designed 8 hp fuel pumps with simple mechanical pumps. It is actually a very good design. The design is also used by cat in a lot of their equipment. The 6.0 pitfall is the fuel quality and lack of lubricity. The 7.3 is less prone to injector failures yet uses a similar setup. I'm on board with cheezit bill is a db! They actually had 6.0 in truck testing in the us as early as 1999. To bad it wasn't over built like the previous engines.... But in reality nothing is over built anymore, it cut into the bottom line profits.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 09:40 PM
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Isn't that a given? Wether they delete or add a process it always costs the consumers more. We are the dupes and our elected officials go right along with it because they are in the payroll loop somewhere in the process.
Hey there's no such thing as a free lunch!
 
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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 09:57 PM
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The reason international did this is based on reliability in comercial trucks. Instead of 1 hp fuel pump feeding a rail they designed 8 hp fuel pumps with simple mechanical pumps. It is actually a very good design. The design is also used by cat in a lot of their equipment. The 6.0 pitfall is the fuel quality and lack of lubricity. The 7.3 is less prone to injector failures yet uses a similar setup. I'm on board with cheezit bill is a db! They actually had 6.0 in truck testing in the us as early as 1999. To bad it wasn't over built like the previous engines.... But in reality nothing is over built anymore, it cut into the bottom line profits.
Maybe the real pitfall of the 6.0 is the group that designed it! Every product must have some margin to cover for variations in materials, manufacting variations and customer variations. For example: If fuel quality is poor and lacks lubricity, then you design a product around such fuel!
 
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