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Old Sep 17, 2010 | 07:58 AM
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cmp ckp toggle yes and no sync

is it nomal to have the cmp and the ckp to toggle between yes and no sync while the engine is running
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Old Sep 17, 2010 | 10:34 AM
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is it nomal to have the cmp and the ckp to toggle between yes and no sync while the engine is running
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No, it isn't.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2010 | 11:27 AM
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okay thanks, what would be the cause of this? Im thinking chaffing of wires , loose connections or faulty sensors, is there additional possible causes of the toggeling between yes and no?
 
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Old Sep 17, 2010 | 11:32 AM
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It sounds like you've covered all your bases. Does it switch between NO and YES randomly? Can you cause it to stall by wiggling the harness with the engine running (particularly the wiring by the secondary filter housing area)? Check the CMP sensor. If the engine block is rusted, the rust can cause the sensor to back out just far enough to cause it to lose a signal.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2010 | 12:00 PM
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as you crank to start it goes to sync and as it runs it toggles back and forth for a few seconds for each toggle. very random but never says synced for more than about 6 seconds. I cant seem to make it change with moving wires and connectors . I wiil check the cmp . there is quite a bite of rust on block, how much backing out are you talking about
 
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Old Sep 17, 2010 | 12:14 PM
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as you crank to start it goes to sync and as it runs it toggles back and forth for a few seconds for each toggle. very random but never says synced for more than about 6 seconds. I cant seem to make it change with moving wires and connectors . I wiil check the cmp . there is quite a bite of rust on block, how much backing out are you talking about
Not very much at all. If there is THAT much rust, remove the CMP sensor and grind off the mounting flange surface of all rust, and replace with new (Ford Part Number DU-88).
 
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Old Sep 17, 2010 | 12:26 PM
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ok im going to do that, what are your thoughts about changing the whole engine harness, if the cmp is not it ,as to go over the entire harness again takes hours as Im sure you know, Im talking about cost of harness vs. time to check (and still have doubts about harness) I have not found any chaffing
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Old Sep 17, 2010 | 12:29 PM
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ok im going to do that, what are your thoughts about changing the whole engine harness, if the cmp is not it ,as to go over the entire harness again takes hours as Im sure you know, Im talking about cost of harness vs. time to check (and still have doubts about harness) I have not found any chaffing
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That would be a VERY good idea, given that the 2003 model year 6.0L engine harnesses are the least expensive (about $260 CDN last time I checked). And yes, I agree with you 110%.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2010 | 12:33 PM
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OK I going to get one, Do I ask for the engine harness , injector harnes....... Im calling to see if they have one just don't want any confusion
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Old Sep 17, 2010 | 01:22 PM
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harness will be here tomorrow C92 1843797 my cost is 460.00 cdn
 
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we have seen a ton of 03 engine harness issues. We dont even try to find the bad wire for sync concerns. waste of time. new harness is the way to go.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2010 | 05:53 PM
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well new harness installed and new du-88 cmp installed, surfaced cleaned not really that rusty and still toggles between yes and no syns ckp and cmp
 
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Old Sep 19, 2010 | 06:13 PM
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do you have access to a 2 channel lab scpoe by chance? cause you are going to need it to go further
 
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Old Sep 19, 2010 | 06:16 PM
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no I do not
 
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Old Sep 19, 2010 | 06:21 PM
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heres the deal you are loosing either crank or cam signal. to find out what one you would need to hook one channel to the cmp ckt and the other channel to the ckp circuit at the pcm and crank the engine while watching the wave form.
The issue you will have from there is understanding the wave form and how it should look. but one of the tech here like myself ,m-chan or vlonly should be able to help you on that.
 
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