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I don't know how much $$$ the Duramax and 6.0 psd cost in warrenty repairs, but I would bet the farm that the Duramax cost GM far less in warrenty repairs than the 6.0 psd cost Ford/International!
GM went from <10% of the diesel market share with the 6.5 diesel to over 30% in market share with the release of the Duramax, I'm sure this had nothing to do with a bail out.
I don't believe GM has 30% of the Diesel Market. If they do, It's not in Southeast GA. I don't believe thay have 10% here. It's very rare to see a Duramax down here. My buddy has one, he is the only person I know that has one. There's 6 PSs and one Dodge within a 1/4 of me right now and NO GM Diesels.
You didn't think I would stay out of this now would you?
Perception I think plays more into this. Not really reality, but the perception of reality. That is a reason, but I doubt it's the reason that you were thinking.
People think a bank is financially shaky, they withdraw money, pretty soon it really is financially shaky. People think 6.0 is junk, they don't buy them, demand goes down therefore resale value is down. Must be junk right because resale is down?
Tex... Your opinion is always welcomed! Perception aside I've never heard anyone say I'm sick and tired of my Duramax being in the shop so I went and purchased a 6.0 psd! I'm sure there's some, but none that I know.
Tex... Your opinion is always welcomed! Perception aside I've never heard anyone say I'm sick and tired of my Duramax being in the shop so I went and purchased a 6.0 psd! I'm sure there's some, but none that I know.
I'm sure there is atleast one. I'm willing to bet that there is because there was one guy on here that had never heard of someone swapping one engine for a 6.0 and not only did I find 3 that have been verified, but one was also on YouTube. So if there was atleast 3 people that did that, then I'm willing to bet that there was atleast one that did what you said.
Also remember I went from a 5.9 to a 6.0 and this was back in 05 after the 6.0 started off with a bad taste in everyone's mouth. In fact, due to the issues that I had with the 5.9(re our past discussions) that led me back to the Ford fold.
I don't believe GM has 30% of the Diesel Market. If they do, It's not in Southeast GA. I don't believe thay have 10% here. It very rare to see a Duramax down here. My buddy has one, he is the only person I know that has one. There's 6 PSs and one Dodge within a 1/4 of me right now and NO GM Diesels.
Here in Houston TX Duramax's are deffitely outnumbered by Cummins and Powerstrokes. Almost all Hot Shot trucks here run Cummins and peronnal use trucks are split between Powerstroke and Cummins and very few Duramaxes. It's just an observation and no data to support it, but I did read an articles bout Duramaxes success in capturing market share from there previous 6.5 turbo diesel which was a turd.
Go back 10 years ago and it was almost all Ford diesels whether Hot Shots and/or personal use. See what happens when you pizz the customer off!
Also remember I went from a 5.9 to a 6.0 and this was back in 05 after the 6.0 started off with a bad taste in everyone's mouth. In fact, due to the issues that I had with the 5.9(re our past discussions) that led me back to the Ford fold.
I purchased my 05 6.0 after my cousin gave me a cautionary green light! My Dad was about to pull the trigger on a 6.0 psd after test driving mine, but got cold feet and purchased a 05 Duramax. His truck without a doubt has been very reliable. Matter of fact it hasn't even made a trip to the shop for a repair yet. Now just to be clear I'm not too trilled with the Chevy truck overall, but the Duramax engine is a solid, reliable performer.
Here in Houston TX Duramax's are deffitely outnumbered by Cummins and Powerstrokes. Almost all Hot Shot trucks here run Cummins and peronnal use trucks are split between Powerstroke and Cummins and very few Duramaxes. It's just an observation and no data to support it, but I did read an articles bout Duramaxes success in capturing market share from there previous 6.5 turbo diesel which was a turd.
Go back 10 years ago and it was almost all Ford diesels whether Hot Shots and/or personal use. See what happens when you pizz the customer off!
Maybe just maybe if fello powerstroke buds new how great our web site is, they would not have near the problems with there trucks.Also I think (IMO)a lot of this bad taste is from some of these bad service department,i hear a lot of complaining on here the service department screw them over.Luckily for me i now everyone in mine and my good friend is the diesel tec there so i know i will be fine.But i do most of the work on mine just to save some little money in these tuff times.
Maybe just maybe if fello powerstroke buds new how great our web site is, they would not have near the problems with there trucks.Also I think (IMO)a lot of this bad taste is from some of these bad service department,i hear a lot of complaining on here the service department screw them over.Luckily for me i now everyone in mine and my good friend is the diesel tec there so i know i will be fine.But i do most of the work on mine just to save some little money in these tuff times.
How true as the local Ford service dept here did try to screw me over and on more that one occasion. Never let them though but they tried. However my dealer and Ford service back in Va. Beach where I use to live was awesome, honest and always did great work and lead me in the right direction. I certainly know that the 6.0 takes a little extra TLC but just like anything from any mfg there are some that will have many problems and some that will have none and there will be owners like me that have had a few but I am still very happy I own a Ford. At least today I also realize that on forums you will certainly hear from those with problems and that are unhappy but the majority that dont have problems and that are happy generally you dont hear from.
Here in Houston TX Duramax's are deffitely outnumbered by Cummins and Powerstrokes. Almost all Hot Shot trucks here run Cummins and peronnal use trucks are split between Powerstroke and Cummins and very few Duramaxes. It's just an observation and no data to support it, but I did read an articles bout Duramaxes success in capturing market share from there previous 6.5 turbo diesel which was a turd.
Go back 10 years ago and it was almost all Ford diesels whether Hot Shots and/or personal use. See what happens when you pizz the customer off!
I drove mostly GMs all my life. I had a Chevy 6.5TD. GM wouldn't fix it (completely stock) under warranty; I had to pay $1,627.50 to have it fixed. I looked at the Duramax in 01, GM wanted $8,000 and for it the Ford did for the same options and I wasn’t going to pay them to be their guinea pig.
I drove mostly GMs all my life. I had a Chevy 6.5TD. GM wouldn't fix it (completely stock) under warranty; I had to pay $1,627.50 to have it fixed. I looked at the Duramax in 01, GM wanted $8,000 and for it the Ford did for the same options and I wasn’t going to pay them to be their guinea pig.
I would have purchased a 7.3 psd over the Duramax also even though it had less power, it was a proven powerplant that pretty much was the benchmark for other mfg's to shoot for.
I would imagine that those duramax engines are pretty darned reliable. After all, they are Izusu, and it seems that Japan has been making some very reliable engines, sold in America for many years. And you have to give warm applaud to GM (government motors) for their tenacity in the automotive manufacturing department lately, in light of their resilience in the recent woes of the current recession...
Although personally, I think I would choose either Ford or Dodge, being that they are still, for the most part, American. An International or Cummins engine over an Izusu, Uhuh. But that's just me. I still drive a Subaru for my commuter car and really enjoy that, but for trucks and classic cars I have a thing about staying American. But again, that's just me...
Although personally, I think I would choose either Ford or Dodge, being that they are still, for the most part, American. An International or Cummins engine over an Izusu, Uhuh. But that's just me. I still drive a Subaru for my commuter car and really enjoy that, but for trucks and classic cars I have a thing about staying American. But again, that's just me...
I see that people want to stay with American, buy American etc. That's good in theory, it isn't however, realistic in practice. Even if the company is based in America, that doesn't mean that you aren't supporting foreign investors(and you might be surprised at just how much percentage is foreign investors in an American company, rather it's publically disclosed or it's a private company with investors that isn't disclosed). I might also add that those companies that are owned by the government have a good percentage of foreign investors involved as foreign investors own a good bit of our government debt.
Also the mere fact by itself that a vehicle might be American or even mostly American(which I find ironic considering some of the foreign company vehicles seem to be more American then an American company vehicle) doesn't mean that it is worth the money that you shell out for it. It might be, but then again, it might not be. Other factors come into play despite where it's from.
I buy the best bang for my buck. The item that gives me the most for what I spend. If it's American then great, if it's foreign then that is what it is. Rather it's American or not doesn't mean squat as to rather or not it's a vehicle(product) worth having. This is also coming from someone that only owns 2 fords that fact is irrelevent as to the validity of this post, but I mention that for those that do think it's relevent.
While I applaud the gesture it really is a prejudice that doesn't do as much good as you think in practice due to the nature of a global economy(not just in terms of where parts are made, but also in terms of investors) and as to rather or not you are getting the best value for your dollar.
I would imagine that those duramax engines are pretty darned reliable. After all, they are Izusu, and it seems that Japan has been making some very reliable engines, sold in America for many years. And you have to give warm applaud to GM (government motors) for their tenacity in the automotive manufacturing department lately, in light of their resilience in the recent woes of the current recession...
Although personally, I think I would choose either Ford or Dodge, being that they are still, for the most part, American. An International or Cummins engine over an Izusu, Uhuh. But that's just me. I still drive a Subaru for my commuter car and really enjoy that, but for trucks and classic cars I have a thing about staying American. But again, that's just me...
Just for your info, Dodge is now Italian. Fiat is the parent company.