This isnt about this messageboard or anyone on here so hopefully this wont get locked down but I need to post this since I asked the owner of the other messageboard to delete me from the account and lock the first and only thread I started.

The messageboard deals with mostly Czech made guns but has a general firearm board for general talk. I posted in the general talk about some pistol research I am doing to narrow my choices down but I needed help with information on most of the Czech pistols on my list. Information has been very hard to find. So I list my whole firearm want list which covered pistols and rifles. I stated that I am looking at the pistols but posted my whole list since it was easier to just copy and paste the whole thing.

Well first reply I get is from some guy who starts off slinging what I take as an insult by telling me "Sounds more like you need further info on what you think you need or want and why" which I instantly thought to myself wtf am I seriouslly being told that I dont know what I need, want, and why. Well being alittle agrivated over that the guy goes on telling me "IE why would you want or need tracers for a pistol?" which was another wtf moment for me as I started thinking to myself and why would people want or need silencers for the VZ.61 scropion or want or need armor piercing bullets all of which can be bought by the civilian for civilian firearms. He then finished his first post with telling me that I am comparing apples to oranges which I later found out was directed to my list all because I have rifles listed in the list as well. Even though said guy has totally over looked my statement that I am looking at pistols not once but twice in my orignal post and that I wouldnt be getting another rifle till I got a pistol.

I reply back as simply as I could telling him that I have five check point requirements for pistols that was listed in the orignal post, then I went back to elaborating on the CZ.52 and CZ.82 two pistols that I am liking visually but the CZ.82 is out shining the CZ.52 in more areas. I then wake up this morning and check the forums to see if anyone helped and I was not suprised to see the same guy posted again. This time "nitpicking" my long second post breaking it down into sentences and replying to each comment just about.

It went from telling me how I could have narrowed my list down by half with the five part elimination list I posted and that the Colt 1911A1 shouldnt be on the list even though I already stated in my first post two times that the CZ.52 and the CZ.82 are the only ones marked for the final list due to lack of information on the other Czech pistols. He then told me that most pistols with decockers have a safety bar so that a accidental discharge by putting the safety on decocking the hammer automatically wouldnt happen. Even though there were a few videos on youtube where guys said that their CZ.52 nearly killed someone or put a hole in the wall as they pushed up on the safety and the decocker dropped the hammer but didnt block the firing pin.

Then I got another WTF moment from this guy, he told me since an AK-47 is on my list why isnt the AR-15 on my list. I am thinking to myself first off the AR-15 is the same thing as the M-16 for the most part and they have always been black plastic constructed firearms and I stated in my orignal post I am more into the traditional style guns metal pistol frames with metal slides or wooden furniture or wooden in appearance like the CZ.58 that comes with the wood impregnated furniture. He then told me how the CZ.82 doesnt have a trigger bar in reply to my post about how the CZ.82 if the hammer was to accidently fall the gun wouldnt fire. I have seen it on atleast 3 video reviews on youtube but he said if it doesnt have a "B" (CZ.82B) in the model number it doesnt have the block. I honestly seriouslly doubt those guys on youtube would list their CZ.82B as a CZ.82 in description and title.

So I am calmed down now but was pissed off at this guy and how he totally ignored the topic and went on and on nitpicking my wants and requirements and then moved on to nitpicking what was and wasnt on my list.

So in the end I had that topic locked but now I am curious so I am looking to see if the guy was right that the CZ.82 doesnt have a block on the firing pin.

 

When using messageboards, I've found that there is often a very broad range of communication skills in the users, both in the composition of their messages and their comprehension of others. I wouldn't get too worked up about it. If another poster gets worked up over something, that's their problem--don't let it become yours.

As for quoting and replying line by line, it's a great way to make sure one addresses all the points in a post (if they want to), though some find it insulting for whatever reason.

I can't help you on the pistols as it sounds like you know more about them then I do, but I like my M1991A1 Colt Commander. And, yes, I've had an accidental discharge while decocking it since it doesn't have a decocking lever or safety. By following all the other safety rules, though, no harm was done, just a little divot in my gravel driveway, and I have an expanded Federal Hydro-Shok souvenir bullet as a reminder.

Jason

 

I agree after I calm down I then start seeing it as pointless to get worked up over it. Its just that this happens more often than I like. Be it I am asking for help listing what ive already tried and didnt work and then people come up telling me to try the same thing only to get upset when I tell them no it wont work. Or in this situation asking for information pertaining to firearms on a gun forum and then they want to nitpick your list and wonder why one gun is listed on your list but not the other when they feel it should be.

Right now I am trying to find that youtube video on the CZ.82 where the guy talked about cocked and locked carry that video is where I first heard about the hammer could drop and it wouldnt go off without pulling the trigger but doesnt have a safety decocker. I was going to ask him more indepth, for all I know the other guy could have been talking out of his ***.

 

I own an AR-HBAR, and the only 'plastic' on that fine rifle are the buttstock, pistolgrip and the upper and lower handguards.
FOUR pieces of plastic (polymer).
Oops. . . FIVE pieces. The magazine follower is plastic/polymer.

The term 'Made by Mattel' is/was a misnomer.

The upper and lower receivers are made from aluminum alloy (along with a few other parts), and the remainder of the parts are made of steel.

I recently saw online, that somebody (can't remember who) is making a laminated wood stock set for the AR.
I wouldn't mind having one of these sets.

 

Not related to the original post, but message boards in general-

Awhile back I signed up at pirate4x4.com to ask a question about onboard air- and basically right off the bat, multiple people started calling me names and making various insults...all because I asked something that was apparently in one of the FAQ's there. How was I supposed to know?

So basically I had two posts over there and vowed I would never go back, and haven't.

 

I've been on a couple of firearms related boards that were like that.
Name-calling. . . trying to intimidate. . . you name it.
Not my style.


A lot of message boards could take a lesson (or two) from this site, and a few others.

I remember reading (here), at one point in time, something to the effect of -
Don't post anything that you wouldn't want your Grandmother or Mom to read.

I agree.

 

I'm a member on half a dozen different boards relating to all things imagineable.
one constant is that everyone who signs on feels like they are the be all end all expert on whatever the topic is, and should you question them it is a direct insult to their ego.
best thing to do is just avoid the boards with the largest % of young posters, the younger they are (especially the college age kids) the more full of it they are.
there is a big different between information and knowledge, and they havent figured that out yet.

 

I used to be a member of other Ford related message boards until I found this board. After reviewing the messages on this board, and how the members treated each other, I decided to join this board, and drop one of the other boards quickly.

On one of the other boards, I answered a few questions about exhaust systems, using my vast knowledge from years of working with various engines and knowledge of what works in certain situations. Unfortunately, there seemed to be two people on that board that seemed to be the "end all, be all, know it alls" about exhaust systems and troubleshooting exhaust systems. After enough PMing these two, and explaining how my position came from hands on knowledge and actual facts, they STILL thought they knew more than me, and continued to threadcrap in those threads I responded in. Moderators on that board did nothing to fix the problems, and now I no longer go there for information or to help others. I even went so far as to let the head moderator know why I left there board. No reply at all from the head moderator.

 

You have to be pretty thick skinned to deal with the knuckleheads on pirate. I used to frequent that site when I had my jeeps,and I could sling crap just as good as them so I got along ok. haven't been there since my kids outgrew the jeeps.

 

Same here. I used to be on a chevrolet messageboard cant remember the name it was chevy something when I started the restoration on my 63. Well I asked for help with the cataloging and decoding all the numerous serial numbers on the cars. Well one guy kept telling me the engine block is a 1963 made block even though the date of the block would be 1 month after the body was completed. The only other logical choice based off the casting number on the rear of the block is a late 1961 surplus corvette block. Well that guy got pissed off at me slinging **** at me telling me do I really think chevrolet would hold a 1961 corvette block over to 1963 just to put it in my passengercar. I tried to calmly explain to them that 1962 saw the 327 come out standard in the Corvette so the late 61 corvette 283 blocks were left overs. The factories would have used the new parts made for thsoe years and then use left over old parts when they ran out. Their way of keeping the assembly line moving constantly. Well that guy started getting real upset and started telling me my 63 is a junkyard parts car pieced together by parts from junked out cars. Which is funny because I have all the work orders for the car from 1963 till the car was parked and no wheres did it say the engine was swaped out. Like wise the block has the Flint marking on it which is where corvette engines were made. But the heads and everything were correct 1963 passengercar parts on a surplus 61 corvette block. Then I maped out on my own the dates for the car and what I came up with was the carrier assembly date was Wed February 13, 1963. Then the rearend build date was Sat February 16, 1963. Then the body assembly date was the last week in february 1963 which would be Sunday February 24, 1963 - Thursday February 28, 1963 which strangely the powerglide transmission was built Wednesday February 27, 1963 during the night shift. But yet as that one guy said the car is pieced together from parts from junkyard cars. Really how could I piece the parts together so perfectly date wise. Only thing doesnt match up is the date of the block is March 1st which would put it 1 day after the body assembly date which means it cant be 1963. Only logical point is the transmission and engine were dropped in on the 27th and the body was dropped on Thursday the 28th.

After that I left the board and desided to go to the 348-409 messageboard which deals with the W-block engines but they had a general place which I thought would be nice. First post same guys from the chevrolet forum were on there and they attacked me again from the start. Now the moderator was a mod from the other forum and didnt like how they did things so he put an end to that. I disappeared for a few months before I went back with a question and next thing I know same guys start up slinging **** again but and heres the kicker the owner of the forums from last time he told me to leave cause I was starting the fights and that I had two choices be banned for life or leave where I can atleast view the posts. I havent been back in 7 years after that but I told that guy that he was a real ****ing hypocrite for standing up for me when they attacked me for a simple question bringing a fight over from the other forum then I leave and come back and same **** happens again and then blaim me when I didnt start it.

That is what I ment by this **** happens all too much on the forums that it gets old. This and a few other forums are the only ones that havent been like that. I am thinking might be cause the people are more intelligent or maybe its because they have some issue with others having something better than they do. Maybe thats why they got pissed off cause I was saying the block was a 1961 corvette block. But not my problem it makes sense though the car has alot of parts on it dated 1961. The water bottle bracket is dated 61, the fan clutch is dated 61 as well.

And to put this out there these guys werent kids that was doing the above. These guys were in their 50`s and 60`s. I know not all their age act like that but I run more into the older guys that are total *******s like that than I do the younger guys. Now on this one game forum ive been waiting for this mod to come out for 6 years now their all young and they all act like total *******s there as well. They feel that they are doing something for us for free that we should just shut up and sit back and wait. Thats not how it works as I see it. They are making it for us but they are also keeping us in the dark since they missed their 2009 release date and here we are quickly approaching 2011 and still no information aside form one of the developers stated in July that they should have it out in 12 months meaning anywheres between July 2010 and July 2011 which is too long considering they moaned and groaned how they just missed the 2009 deadline at the begining of December.

 

I wouldnt mind wood furniture for the AR. Its nothing against the AR I just dont like the plastic look. They remind me of bb guns, every one I had as a kid had a black plastic stock and it just looks and feels cheap in my hands. Now the M91/30 I picked up with the wood stock it looks very nice and the wood furniture gives it character. The cabela`s catalog came in the other day and they actually have a black fiberglass impregnated plastic stock for the M91/03 and the photo they had I couldnt belive how cheap looking it made the rifle look.

Like the CZ.82 pistol I wouldnt mind plastic hand grips on it. I could always have custom wooden ones made for it but the whole pistol isnt made out of plastic or a polymer like the glocks. The glocks I hear are great guns but every time I look at them they are boxy and cheap looking to me. Its sort of like the 64 chevrolet fullsize cars. Lots of people love them but I think they are absolutely hideious looking. They are basically a box ontop of a box, atleast in 63 they gave spears to the fenders and quarter panels as well as give the body side some angled molds.

The VZ.58 rifle I was looking at and will get later on Ive been looking more and more at the military edition from czechpoint that has the wood fiber impregnated furniture over the modern military style one with the folding stock. Now if I got the VZ.61 Scorpion from czechpoint I would love to get the one with the folding stock but then you have to go to the trouble to transfer a short barrel rifle which I keep hearing is more work than I really prefer.

Lately though guns havent really been on my list though because I have been having to put my expendable funds towards car repairs. My AC clutch finally desided to go out so thats $150 for a rebuilt one. Then I am thinking about replacing the brake rotors, been too long with the warped rotors and I am not going to spend $30 a pop to have them refinished and then they warp again. Summit used to have a baer oem replacement rotor crossdrilled and slotted for a 78 Cougar but now Summit only lists their brand which is $75 a piece. Which I guess isnt bad since I paid $80 for just one oem replacement rotor from Napa which warped in 6 months of easy driving.