Re-gasketing an engine - first time
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No it won't damage the pump.
Before you try pulling, rotate the extension in case the fumes from the glue have gotten between the socket and the block. You may have glued the socket to the pump shaft...but it may come up enough to get long needlenose vice-grips on it.
I think I would have tried a flat-bladed screwdriver. The blade usually has a taper. Push it down as far as it will go and use some side leverage to hold it there while rotating and pulling at the same time. That's the key to getting something unstuck.....rotate while pulling....similiar as when you try to break free a radiator hose.
A very strong magnet may also work, but maybe not now due to the glue.
Be innovative and you will get it out. I'd suggest not trying glue again though.
And congrats on the run. By the way, why did you put a socket on it after you ran it? No oil pressure?
Before you try pulling, rotate the extension in case the fumes from the glue have gotten between the socket and the block. You may have glued the socket to the pump shaft...but it may come up enough to get long needlenose vice-grips on it.
I think I would have tried a flat-bladed screwdriver. The blade usually has a taper. Push it down as far as it will go and use some side leverage to hold it there while rotating and pulling at the same time. That's the key to getting something unstuck.....rotate while pulling....similiar as when you try to break free a radiator hose.
A very strong magnet may also work, but maybe not now due to the glue.
Be innovative and you will get it out. I'd suggest not trying glue again though.
And congrats on the run. By the way, why did you put a socket on it after you ran it? No oil pressure?
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Fleet Mechanic
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As far as the glue goes, that was kind of a last minute desperate move, if it dosen't work then a friend gave me a good idea: use a three sided file and work it into the socket. It should dig in just deep enough to work.
As a side note, I got to go to the Le May Car Show! Now that was a treat! They must have had at least 1000 cars there, 90% were in mint condition. They had so many that there were cars (and trucks) triple stacked in storage racks! One of my favorites was a 428 powered 69 Country Squire wagon, beautiful car. Would love to have that motor in my truck.
Sam
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Fleet Mechanic
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Your not going to believe this, but the super glue worked! I let it set overnight and all day, so it had plenty of time to get good and hard, but it worked! I can't believe it... Now, how am I going to get that stuff off my socket? Oh well, it's out of the engine, so I am happy! 
It worked just like you said, just twist and pull, it came right out.
Sam
It worked just like you said, just twist and pull, it came right out.Sam
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Fleet Mechanic
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Ok, thanks guys. I was able to do a roug set of the timing and got it running, but it still needs some more adjustment to the timing, etc. I got several really good backfires out the carb, usually it would run for a few seconds, then die with a real loud backfire. It seems to get a bit better as I adjust the timing.
Sam
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Fleet Mechanic
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Bad news, the head gaskets are leaking bad, I must have a cup and a half of water in the oil... I sure hope I still have main bearings... The oil pressure gauge started working, so I have oil pressure, but not much. If it isn't one problem then its another.... Man, I really thought I had it going again. Oh well, looks like time to try it again...
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Fleet Mechanic
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Well, I found the leak. The passenger side head didn't seal well at all, I must have missed a big chunk of something on the gasket surface, because there was coolant stains all down the side of the block. I'm not sure how I missed it before, but at least only one gasket is bad. So it looks like another trip to napa is in order.
Sam
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Fleet Mechanic
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Thanks, sometimes it is hard to be patient with this old rig. Fortunately my other head seemed to seal up good, (I spent a lot of time leaning on that one) so I'm not going to mess with it!
Sam
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Fleet Mechanic
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Well, I got it all back together, and I think I did everything right this time. At least, I hope I did! The motor still smokes though, no steam, just black smoke that just looks bad... I thought it was running incredibly rich, but the mixture screws are out as far as they will go, still no change. Could it still be getting in some other way? I opened up the carb and replaced the power valve too, and it helped, but not much. Any other ideas? The odd thing is that the truck won't smoke very bad for the first 30 seconds or so, but the smoke thickens up real quick after that.
Sam
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Not sure how your carb works, but most will yield a leaner mixture when you turn the idle mixture screws "in".
Have you only checked at idle? No road test yet? Will be interesting to see if it smokes at higher rpms.
Did you run it long enough for the choke to open?
See if you can get a vacuum gauge and connect it to the intake manifold. The nipple for the PCV hose might be a place to connect it. Then you can adjust your mixture screws for the highest vacuum. Final mixture may need to be slightly rich from max vacuum.
Sounds like things are improving though......good work so far !
Have you only checked at idle? No road test yet? Will be interesting to see if it smokes at higher rpms.
Did you run it long enough for the choke to open?
See if you can get a vacuum gauge and connect it to the intake manifold. The nipple for the PCV hose might be a place to connect it. Then you can adjust your mixture screws for the highest vacuum. Final mixture may need to be slightly rich from max vacuum.
Sounds like things are improving though......good work so far !
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Fleet Mechanic
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Not sure how your carb works, but most will yield a leaner mixture when you turn the idle mixture screws "in".
That might explain it, I've been turning them outward! That might explain why it got worse when I turned them outward...
Have you only checked at idle? No road test yet? Will be interesting to see if it smokes at higher rpms.
I did revv it a bit in place, and it smokes a bit, but it gets real bad right at idle. I plan to road test it today.
Did you run it long enough for the choke to open?
It has manual choke, and it was wide open. I've run it long enough for the radiator to get hot to the touch, about 15-20 minutes at a high idle.
See if you can get a vacuum gauge and connect it to the intake manifold. The nipple for the PCV hose might be a place to connect it. Then you can adjust your mixture screws for the highest vacuum. Final mixture may need to be slightly rich from max vacuum.
Ok, thanks. I'll put that gauge on the list next time I go to the tool store.
Sounds like things are improving though......good work so far !
I appreciate it, I'm really beginning to enjoy working on these old rigs, now that I have more of an idea of what I'm doing!
That might explain it, I've been turning them outward! That might explain why it got worse when I turned them outward...
Have you only checked at idle? No road test yet? Will be interesting to see if it smokes at higher rpms.
I did revv it a bit in place, and it smokes a bit, but it gets real bad right at idle. I plan to road test it today.
Did you run it long enough for the choke to open?
It has manual choke, and it was wide open. I've run it long enough for the radiator to get hot to the touch, about 15-20 minutes at a high idle.
See if you can get a vacuum gauge and connect it to the intake manifold. The nipple for the PCV hose might be a place to connect it. Then you can adjust your mixture screws for the highest vacuum. Final mixture may need to be slightly rich from max vacuum.
Ok, thanks. I'll put that gauge on the list next time I go to the tool store.
Sounds like things are improving though......good work so far !
I appreciate it, I'm really beginning to enjoy working on these old rigs, now that I have more of an idea of what I'm doing!
Sam
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Fleet Mechanic
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Well, my dad and I took the old rig out for a spin, and it did good! The readjusted the mixture, and the smoke was decreased 70-80%. It will still lay a cloud if you really stomp it, but other than that the old rig made me proud to own it! Its still running a bit rich, but once I get that vacuum gauge I should be able to fine tune it. And as bonus, the head gasket shows no sign of leaking!
Sam
EDIT: I just found one problem: The distributor hold down bolt is loosening itself! Not sure how that happened, because that bugger was tight before we left.
Sam
EDIT: I just found one problem: The distributor hold down bolt is loosening itself! Not sure how that happened, because that bugger was tight before we left.