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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 08:27 PM
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Ok guys Im a ok off roader, but always want to learn more and get better. I was just wondering if anyone had some tips for off road driving. Im not going just for pure fun and thrills here. I live on a farm and usually get around just fine. Only got stuck once and that was in a swamp and I was being stupid. If someone has some tips from wheeling these beast off road please give me some tips. I can be in anything from deep mud, rocky hills and trails, all the way into sand. We have all of that stuff within 100 acres which I think is great.

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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Evan99
Ok guys Im a ok off roader, but always want to learn more and get better. I was just wondering if anyone had some tips for off road driving. Im not going just for pure fun and thrills here. I live on a farm and usually get around just fine. Only got stuck once and that was in a swamp and I was being stupid. If someone has some tips from wheeling these beast off road please give me some tips. I can be in anything from deep mud, rocky hills and trails, all the way into sand. We have all of that stuff within 100 acres which I think is great.

Thanks for the tips you guys are awesome!
What kind of tires are you rockin'?
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 08:52 PM
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Got some Geolander ATs but they're pretty new so I cant make a change at this time due to crazy cost of other brands.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Evan99
Got some Geolander ATs but they're pretty new so I cant make a change at this time due to crazy cost of other brands.
Except for mud, you've got the right tires. They get us all over Baja.

1. Don't be afraid to stop, walk and look.

2. Momentum.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Evan99
Got some Geolander ATs but they're pretty new so I cant make a change at this time due to crazy cost of other brands.
I got the Geolandars too. Good tire, but in the future, you might want to go with something a bit more aggressive. I would personally run a Goodyear Duratrac or a Goodyear Wrangler with the Kevlar built in.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 11:00 AM
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I was just wondering if anyone had some tips for off road driving. I can be in anything from deep mud, rocky hills and trails, all the way into sand.
I'll comment on what I've gathered about wheelin' a 7000+lb Super Duty

Bottomless Mud
Watch out for bottomless mud! Our trucks are just too heavy to navigate long stretches of boggy soup. Tires with more aggressive tread will propel you farther than a A/T tread pattern, but when you're wheelin' a fairly stock truck like you or me it's best to avoid long stretches. If you do have to make your way through a lot of bad mud here's the best advice I can give you based on my experience and having a similar truck.
  • Use 4x4 High
  • Transmission in 1st (not Low on ZF6)
Wheelspeed is going to be your friend and your ally in not getting stuck. I've found that a 5.4L Super Duty with 4.10 axles can sufficiently and effectively pull 4x4 High and 1st gear to get the maximum amount of wheel speed to clean out the tires. Using "Low" in the transmission tends to wrap out the engine prematurely. Just put it in 1st and put the pedal down!
If you start slowing down- getting stuck- quickly try sawing the wheels side to side. Sometimes your front tires will find a better line or the sidewall tread on more aggressive tires can keep your momentum up.
If you get stuck in this boggy mud, I advise trying to reverse out only once or twice. Excessive rocking will only bury a Super Duty and make extraction that much worse. Trust me, most 2wd tractors will struggle pulling out a 4wd Super Duty on the frame if the tractor is not on hard ground.

If you can admit that you got stuck and quit rocking before you're framed out in the mud, your recovery from the mud will be so much easier. The bigger man knows when to stop; trust me!

Slick, Shallow Mud
The weight of a Super Duty can be your friend, here. This kind of mud is that stuff that just sticks to your boots, tires, and clutch pedal. Usually you won't get stuck, unless your tires fall into a rut or something and you just can't get out of them because everything is so slick!
  • Use 4x4 Low Range
  • Transmission in 1st or 2nd
The 6-speed manual is going to shine in this stuff. I use 4x4 Low to regulate my speed. Braking is poor in this slick mud and the ABS just goes nuts randomly locking up tires and causing skidding, so use the transmission to slow you down whenever possible. It'll keep the tires moving and, therefore, keep your rig pointed where you want to go!
Cleaning out your tires is usually pointless, because they'll just ball up again. Slick mud is one of the terrains that could care less about how aggressive your tires are; they all turn into big ***** of mud!
By not spinning your wheels unnecessarily, you generally get less mud on your truck which makes the womenfolk happier when you get home!

Plus- you probably don't want to get too crazy in this stuff, because it's real easy to spin out of control and hit a fence post or something else.

Rocks
A Super Duty is probably the wrong vehicle to take in a real "rock garden" because even a single cab truck had a monster of a wheelbase. Since you have a Super Cab (and I have a Crew Cab), our wheelbase is something like 13 FEET. That's close to the overall length of a small car just between the wheels!
  • Use 4wd Low
  • Transmission in "Low"
Use your best eye to pick a line through the rocks that will not scrape, damage, or rip off parts of your Super Duty. Be especially mindful of the front valence, exhaust pipe, and the rear drive shaft on longer wheelbase trucks.

A Super Duty has a decent approach angle, but poor break-over and departure angles. It's easy to high center in rugged terrain and easy to mangle the tailpipe where it exits behind the rear tire. I have personally mangled a tailpipe on a pickup by backing into a rock that was lower than my rear bumper but high enough to contact the tailpipe. The best thing you can do is become familiar with what hangs down and where it hangs down on your truck.

Once your in the rocks, you'll also need to try and pick lines that do not lift or severely articulate the suspension. A Super Duty has a weak rear limited slip that can transfer very little torque to the high traction wheel. Since most of the weight of a Super Duty is over the front axle, the rear axle will, 99% of the time, be the axle that lifts a tire off the ground. The rear limited slip will not be able to transfer enough torque to the free tire to keep you moving because if you're to the point where a rear tire is lifting off the ground, there's a very high chance that a front tire is also unloading, too. The best bet is to pick a line that keeps the truck fairly level.

Don't bother airing your tires down. If it's that extreme, don't go there with a Super Duty!
Go slow!!!
Try not to turn your rear drive shaft into a pretzel!!!

Deep, Sugar Sand
Use the footprint test. If you walk out in the sand and your shoes do not leave a discernible footprint, your chances of getting stuck are much higher. Be wary if all you see is an indention where you just walked! The longer the stretch of sand is, the higher your probability is of getting stuck.

If you must drive in deep, sugar sand, my best advice is the following:
  • 4x4 High
  • Use Low in the ZF6 transmission
In my experience, a 5.4L Super Duty cannot effectively pull 1st in deep sand. On the other hand, putting the transfer case into 4x4 Low requires too much shifting, which then kills momentum. 4x4 High and "Low" allows decent flexibility and good, sudden bursts of power when needed.

Try to keep a steady foot on the accelerator. You don't want to do anything crazy that might get the sand thinking about swallowing up such a heavy vehicle. Like the bottomless mud, sawing your wheels might help if you start getting stuck. But remember that you also might just dig yourself in deeper if you don't use caution.

Extracting any vehicle from deep sand is difficult, and a severely stuck Super Duty is a nightmare. Another vehicle can only pull very little in the sand, so if if you find yourself stuck, do yourself a favor and make it not a bad stuck. Quit trying when the sand gets up to your rims. The chances are very slim that you will "get back on top".
Driving for long periods in deep sand is the only terrain I'd consider airing my tires down. If you're towing a trailer through the sand, you might find 4x4 Low necessary. Airing down the truck and trailer tires can help your rig from sinking in. But remember too much of a good thing will peel a tire off the rim of a heavy vehicle.


Trails
Trails are fun! A super Duty can be a surprisingly good trail vehicle because lots of friends and gear and pets can go along in your F250 or F350. You might just get called the "Recovery Vehicle" because a Super Duty can make it a long way down many trails to get closer to other disabled vehicles farther off the beaten path.
  • 2wd or 4x4 Low
  • ZF6 Transmission in Whichever Gear is Suitable
I generally use 4x4 Low on the trails. There is a lot of speed flexibility in Low Rang- I can slow down to a crawl for tight spots, or speed up to 25+mph if needed. On the trails, I either use 2wd or 4x4 Low. 4x4 High just limits maneuverability without the ability to go slow. 4x4 High makes me ride the clutch too much, and pretty much limits me to using "Low" back in the woods around tight corners.
Everybody has their own preference for trail riding. The more your go, the more you'll develop your own feel for what you like. Probably the only universal is that it's good to just leave the hubs locked in whether you're in 4x4 or in 2wd. If you're riding along in 2wd and see a tough spot, it's real easy to push in the clutch and slip in into 4x4 High or slow down and grab 4x4 Low.





I hope I haven't written too much. I do like wheelin', and we have similar trucks. This is just what works best in my area. You results may vary. Keep on smiling wheelin' that Super Duty!
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 11:31 AM
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 11:44 AM
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Thanks for all the tips guys. This will all help alot!
 
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1) For offroading the stock diffs suck
2) Shiney side up.
 
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Wheel speed is big. When I haul for a buddy of mine in the fall I am usually trying to crawl out of a muddy field with a 60,000lb tri-ax truck. As long as I can keep the wheels moving the tires will clean themselves out enough to keep going. As soon as you slow down or if you don't grab a high enough gear then it is game over. Momentum is key!
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 12:37 PM
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All about the wheel speed....but also know the area your going into....I wouldn't do a blind run unless you have endless wallet.
 
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For off roading there are 4 things you need.
1) Lockers
2) A good set of tires
3) At least a heavy duty tow strap or a chain rated for 2x what the truck weighs.
4) A place to tie the strap to.
The rest is finess and knowing when to hammer it when to not. It takes a while to get used to the size. Avoid tight spots with mud and trees. I took my old z71 excab up middle fork trail one time. I learned when navigating switch backs the best way was to push the grill guard up the rock face turn the wheels let the tires spin and slide the front end around and it made it a lot easier. That was a tight set of swith backs where he was having trouble making the turns in a tj wrangler. The sign on the entrance said "short wheel base vehicles only" "expert drivers only" the guys on 4 wheelers were impressed to see a truck that big make it to the top.
 
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One thing not mention yet when "crawling" in rocks is that speed isn't always your friend. Wheel spin and speed in rocks breaks things. Some times a little go pedal is needed, but use it carefully.

Also, step bars and running boards don't work as "sliders" carry the weight on a SD. They just break off. Don't ask me how I know. LOL

SD's are wide. If the trail is narrow, you will end up with custom pin stripes on the sides from branches and weeds.
 
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just know where you can and can't go... SD's are big (obviously)
 
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