Another ebay listing.Ford : F-250: eBay Motors (item 330446912345 end time Jul-04-10 22:55:17 PDT) I do not know much about the crewcabs. I am thinking bull on the 460 story, but I may be wrong. The bed also looks way to short. Please inform me. Who are the experts that are stumped?


I also just saw this listed on my local craigslist if anyone is interested. http://neworleans.craigslist.org/pts/1815789551.html

 

The ebay seller is mis-informed. No 460 engines were installed in F100/350's until 1973.

1983 was the first year Ford offered a 460 with 4WD-F350's only. It was also the first year Ford offered the 460 with a manual transmission.

All 1968/82 460's came with a C6.

The bed is correct, but this truck was not assembled by FoMoCo. Ford supplied the bed, front sheet metal on a rolling chassis, then sent the bodyless truck to Crown Coach, who made and installed the Crew Cab body.

FTE member garbz2 prolly knows these Crew Cabs better than anyone else. He will fill y'all in with the details.

The seller posted the VIN: F26DE423837.

F26 = F250 4WD / D = 292 4V / E = Mahwah NJ Assembly Plant / 423837 = 1963, assembled June 1963.

The 292 4V was a Domestic Special Order for this truck. The 292 2V was normally the only V8 available in 1961/64 F100/250's.

I just spoke with the seller, who is adament this truck came with a 460. Uh huh, the 460 was introduced in model year 1968 (not 1965 as another clueless ebayer said) and was used in Lincoln's only thru 1971.

I asked the seller for the block casting number and date code. Now, I'm gonna wait and see if he responds. I'm not holding my breath.

 

I just sent this.........


Special VIN? F26= F250 four wheel drive (look to the model for 260 trough 264 this denotes the weight ratings.) Every factory four wheel drive has a F11 or F26 as a start to the vehicle identification number.

D= 292CI HD 4 barrel carb 153 HP @ 3600 RPM. your warranty plate will have the HP and RPM on the door tag. This truck left new jersey with this engine in place, as the VIN tells the truth every time.

E= Mawah New Jersey, where the basic truck was fully manufactured as a single cab 4 wheel drive. The truck pictured in your add was modified aftermarket by Crown of Ohio and sent to the ordering DSO. You can tell this by the door hinges. No factory crew cabs were produced until 1965, and they all came out of the Ontario truck plant.

423837 is the consecutive unit number. The truck was produced in June of 1963 a late production as August 1 started the 1964 model year.

P.S I am a Ford Crew Cab expert having owned a 66 4x4 crown the basic same truck as pictured.

Still insistant that the 460 was stock. As i state the VIN for the truck does not lie, sellers often flat out do or stretch it a bit.

Garbz

 

Irregardless of the boneheaded seller...The truck dosnt look half bad...But 460...there isnt anyone ...I believe...in the 61-6 group who knows these trucks as well as we do, nevermind the crew cab part, would say a 460 came in that truck...the block numbers indeed would tell the truth...and make the seller redder then a hot out of the pot lobster in being wrong...and of course the VIN as well...nicely worded Garbz...Im curious what kind of reply you get :-)



- cs65

 

Bill

Crown modified fully built trucks.

They simply took the bed off and used a saw to cut the roof off the cab.

Then cut across the floor in front of the seat belt mounts, cut the remnants of the roof above the curve of the door.

They then spread the back of the cab and front and filled in the middle with a basic floor stamp and some ford sourced instep stampings and lower rocker stampings.

They then added a B post to accept the basic cast hinges.

The roof edges were left in place and a new full roof stamp was set in to the existing gutters and tacked in. the remaining gutter was added to finish and all leaded in place to hide the rear seam at the C pillar.

Crowns are a crude construction. Mine had a mohair liner glued to the roof and the Deitz interior lamps riveted in place with some lead thrown on top.

The beds were cut down to fit whatever was left on the chassis.

Once the basic shell was completed they made each rear door fit the opening. Yes Crown doors only fit the truck they were made for. Even windows are one off custom ground to fit the remade openings. the doors on my crown were 1/4" in variance, and the windows different in size and angle. It drove me nuts and i smashed a new rear door i made in the drive way by stomping on it! After that i made 2 new doors for the truck and suicided them.

There is nothing civilized about the crowns and the factory crews until 73 are not much better.

Garbz

 

Garbz...do you recall what yours had for a body code...these I would think would be the type where the cowl and windshield body type might be there...But taking a generic cab and trimming here and there makes perfect sense as well...prolly was faster too to do it...was the rear floor plain flat or ???


- cs65

 

Don,

I had a 460 in my 66 Crown and it was all factory on factory mounts( 78 F150 TS chassis) I also had extensively modified the dash and firewall to accept the 78 PS. It looked bone stock. But when i sold it i disclosed all the modifications to the purchaser....

This truck had been on before a few times. Seller bought some thing he thought was special and prolly found out he got burned. This is the typical reaction i have found over the years that the seller is taking. Just looking to get out of it possibly what he has in.

Garbz

Garbz

 

Could be semantics. Was there any engine close to 460ci that could have been swapped at the time the truck was converted to a crew and can therefore be original with regard to the conversion but not to the truck as it rolled off the assembly line?

 

Charlie

Cant miss a 477 Super Duty as a 460. no how no way as there as big as a 3208 cat and share components.

Don,
It was a body 81 conventional. F26XXXXXXXX I purchased it as just a cab and doors (found it at All Ford Nationals). I added a frame from a low mile 81K 78 F150 Trailer Special.

To reiterate the VIN never lies on slicks as to what it left the factory with. If the engine was changed by the builder it would have required a new VIN be issued for the truck as it was void for any ford warranty. Crown was a factory authorized aftermarket modifier builder and the truck after delivery to the selling dealer still carried a full ford warranty. Do you actually think a large corporation as the PRR, who was staving off bankruptcy around this time would buy in to experimental engines for fleet trucks?

Garbz

 

Between Garbz and numberdummy, I feel like I am reading a history book taking me back to the dawn of ford trucks. Thanks for all of your wisdom. Great history lesson.

I thought the 460 came out way later than 63. Seems they would have been a little ahead of themselves. The FE might not have ever seen the bay of a truck had it actually been available.

 

The seller responded to my ebay inquiry and phone conversation with the same old song and dance, insisting that the truck came with a 460 pre-production engine.

He further claimed the 460 came out in 1965 Lincoln's, which is totally in-correct.

1965 Lincoln's came with 430's, 1966/67 Lincoln's came with 462's, 1968 Lincoln's came with 460's.

I explained to him that since the engine code is a D = 292 4V, that it was the original engine. I further told him that IF any non stock engine had been installed or the truck was sold without an engine, there would be no VIN engine code.

The seller had promised to send me the original build sheet that he claims states the 460 engine installation, but...he did not....because he's blowing smoke for the reasons Dave (garbz2) gave above.

If he had this so-called build sheet, why didn't he display it in the ebay ad?

He bought this truck and (this is an old old story), believed everything the person he got it from told him. He did no research beforehand, and now he's stuck with it.

I also asked him to pass along the block casting number and date code, but...again...he did not.