Injectors vs. Turbo Question
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Injectors vs. Turbo Question
Rosewood Diesel Shop offers stage 2 injectors that are 160 cc with 80% nozzles.
I know the general consensus has been that stage 2 injectors will kill a stock turbocharger. However, I thought that numbers for stage 2 used to be 180 cc with stock nozzles? And stage 2.5 used to be 180 cc with 80% nozzles.
That's all beside the point.
The real question is will 160 cc with 80% nozzles kill a stock turbo the way 180 cc with stock nozzles kills a turbo?
Or will the 160 cc w/ 80% be fine with the stock turbo?
I know the general consensus has been that stage 2 injectors will kill a stock turbocharger. However, I thought that numbers for stage 2 used to be 180 cc with stock nozzles? And stage 2.5 used to be 180 cc with 80% nozzles.
That's all beside the point.
The real question is will 160 cc with 80% nozzles kill a stock turbo the way 180 cc with stock nozzles kills a turbo?
Or will the 160 cc w/ 80% be fine with the stock turbo?
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what data are you looking for? CC output per pulsewidth and ICP??
Trust me, 160/80's WILL kill a stock charger. these injectors killed an E99 turbo in a couple months time that was a very tight charger when the injectors were installed in the truck.. mine hasn't gone out yet, but it's getting close.. i will find you a link to a dyno video of my truck and let you listen to the stock turbo then tell me that driving it that hard won't kill it. lol
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But the 160 cc w/ stock nozzles will not kill to stock turbo, quickly?
Jim, lists them as only 75hp difference with the right supporting mods.
i suppose that could be enough to make a difference.
I'd love to see your dyno video.
Jim, lists them as only 75hp difference with the right supporting mods.
i suppose that could be enough to make a difference.
I'd love to see your dyno video.
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stage 1's are good for around 350hp w/ the stock turbo, an IC, and electric fuel. mine did 352hp/731tq on stage 1's.. maybe more power can be had w/ a D66 or something.. IMO the stage 1's is plenty to kill the stock turbo if your a very aggressive driver, but if your not seeing 30psi of boost constantly then it will be ok for quite awhile. i drove mine for around a year and a half w/ stage 1's and drove it like i stole it. mighta been a little longer..
here is the dyno video. sounds to me like the turbo wants to fly apart, but tell me what you think. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDoWhSsz1PE
here is the dyno video. sounds to me like the turbo wants to fly apart, but tell me what you think. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDoWhSsz1PE
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yeah, if it hurts the turbo like it did my ears, lol.
karl, i posted a picture you might like on your User CP.
karl, i posted a picture you might like on your User CP.
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ya.. the turbo cries for mercy with stage 2's, BUT i have been running these injectors since the first weekend of October last year and the turbo isn't dead yet so i'd say it's worth it.
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mine are 160cc/80%... i have been running them with the live tuning since April 10th, but i saw NO increase in boost since i have a giant boost leak. so who knows how much more i'm putting the turbo through now than before.
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I've limited my Stage-1 and Stage-2 to 160 cc since a stock 17° HPOP works well to support that cc range. 180 cc really max out a 17° pump.
IMO Stage-1 will kill a stock turbo, too. The guys that have their foot to the floor running hot tunes every mintue they are in the truck will trash the stock turbo in a week.
Drive with good tunes and only 'use' the power on occasion when you need/want to and your stock turbo with Stage-1 will live for years.
Same goes for Stage-2. I know several guys that run them with a stock turbo for 3 or 4 years now. All depends on how hard you are in the throttle.
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Pretty much every shop has their own 'stages'. We've tried to be consistant to make shopping easier but there are some differences.
I've limited my Stage-1 and Stage-2 to 160 cc since a stock 17° HPOP works well to support that cc range. 180 cc really max out a 17° pump.
IMO Stage-1 will kill a stock turbo, too. The guys that have their foot to the floor running hot tunes every mintue they are in the truck will trash the stock turbo in a week. All depends on how hard you are in the throttle.
I've limited my Stage-1 and Stage-2 to 160 cc since a stock 17° HPOP works well to support that cc range. 180 cc really max out a 17° pump.
IMO Stage-1 will kill a stock turbo, too. The guys that have their foot to the floor running hot tunes every mintue they are in the truck will trash the stock turbo in a week. All depends on how hard you are in the throttle.
But yet for some reason my stock turbo lives on... i think some of it is also taking care of the turbo by not shutting it down under hot temps and such. let the EGTs cool to as close to 300* as you can before shutting it down and that itself will help your turbo live longer as well.