292 Fuel pump questions
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292 Fuel pump questions
Was discussing fuel pump in another thread, so, as not to hi-jack that thread, I'm starting a new one.
I have a 61 F100 with 292 (what seller told me, I need to confirm)
anyways, been struggling with an electric fuel pump. finally tired of it, and decided to replace the mechanical pump on the engine.
the fuel pump that was on the engine is a glass sediment bowl type.
however, the bowl was facing upwards. I'm pretty sure that is upside down, right? the sediment bowl should hang downward.
the new pump I bought, see pics, just seems too big to fit, I can't get it in there, it hits the block on the rear and radiator hose on the front side.
the new pump, I bought at a local parts store, they told me it was the one listed for a 61 292 v8.
Does this look right to anyone? anyone else use one of these? is there a trick to get it to fit?
also, include pic of fuel pump cam...and engine.
thanks
I have a 61 F100 with 292 (what seller told me, I need to confirm)
anyways, been struggling with an electric fuel pump. finally tired of it, and decided to replace the mechanical pump on the engine.
the fuel pump that was on the engine is a glass sediment bowl type.
however, the bowl was facing upwards. I'm pretty sure that is upside down, right? the sediment bowl should hang downward.
the new pump I bought, see pics, just seems too big to fit, I can't get it in there, it hits the block on the rear and radiator hose on the front side.
the new pump, I bought at a local parts store, they told me it was the one listed for a 61 292 v8.
Does this look right to anyone? anyone else use one of these? is there a trick to get it to fit?
also, include pic of fuel pump cam...and engine.
thanks
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Man, it looks to me like a fuel pump for a 239, with the glass bowl on top and the different profile on the arm. The new pump is correct for a 292. It is time to get in there and obtain a positive engine ID from the block numbers. Look at John Mummert's site for assistance.
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I'm exploring electric fuel pumps again....
any opinions?
I found one that pumps 5 - 9 PSI
and another that pumps 2.5 - 4.5 PSI
which would work better for the 2 barrel motorcraft on my '61 292?
why am I switching back to electric? I just can't seem to get that new pump in there. just won't fit. am I doing something wrong???
any opinions?
I found one that pumps 5 - 9 PSI
and another that pumps 2.5 - 4.5 PSI
which would work better for the 2 barrel motorcraft on my '61 292?
why am I switching back to electric? I just can't seem to get that new pump in there. just won't fit. am I doing something wrong???
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The 2V carb on your truck is not the original.
D4AE-GA = D4PZ9510H .. 2V Motorcraft Carburetor (Motorcraft CA1027B)
Original application: 1974 LTD 400 without smog pump.
C4E = Assembled the 3rd week (C) of May (E), 1974 (4).
This carb has a screw in fuel filter...the neoprene fuel line clamps onto it.
D4AZ9A586A (replaced C2AZ9A586B) .. 2V Carburetor Kit (Motorcraft CT499D) / Available from Ford and autoparts stores.
Fits ALL: 1962/74 2V Auto-Lite/Motorcraft carburetors.
D3AZ9155C .. Fuel Filter (Motorcraft FG14C) / Available from Ford and autoparts stores.
Why the fuel pump is different:
In 1963 Ford replaced the fuel pumps used on 1954/62 239/256/272/292 trucks that have the glass bowl with a ceramic fuel filter inside (or the metal bowl housing a corrogated paper filter), with the type that has a thread on metal cannister housing a cartridge fuel filter.
This same fuel pump (D2TZ9350A replaced C3TZ9350B) also fits 1965/72 F100/350's with 352/360 and 390 engines.
btw: Please reduce the size of these pictures. It's a PITA to read and type answers to questions when the pics are this large.
D4AE-GA = D4PZ9510H .. 2V Motorcraft Carburetor (Motorcraft CA1027B)
Original application: 1974 LTD 400 without smog pump.
C4E = Assembled the 3rd week (C) of May (E), 1974 (4).
This carb has a screw in fuel filter...the neoprene fuel line clamps onto it.
D4AZ9A586A (replaced C2AZ9A586B) .. 2V Carburetor Kit (Motorcraft CT499D) / Available from Ford and autoparts stores.
Fits ALL: 1962/74 2V Auto-Lite/Motorcraft carburetors.
D3AZ9155C .. Fuel Filter (Motorcraft FG14C) / Available from Ford and autoparts stores.
Why the fuel pump is different:
In 1963 Ford replaced the fuel pumps used on 1954/62 239/256/272/292 trucks that have the glass bowl with a ceramic fuel filter inside (or the metal bowl housing a corrogated paper filter), with the type that has a thread on metal cannister housing a cartridge fuel filter.
This same fuel pump (D2TZ9350A replaced C3TZ9350B) also fits 1965/72 F100/350's with 352/360 and 390 engines.
btw: Please reduce the size of these pictures. It's a PITA to read and type answers to questions when the pics are this large.
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thanks for the info Bill, really appreciate it.
sorry for the pic size, I didn't know, i'll shrink them next time.
if I go with an electric pump, what pressure do I need?
thanks again for the assistance all!
sorry for the pic size, I didn't know, i'll shrink them next time.
if I go with an electric pump, what pressure do I need?
thanks again for the assistance all!
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Something that operates around 4psi would be fine you can probably get away with something in the 6psi area. The truth is, by the time it makes it to the carb, the pressure will have reduced some.
I strongly advise you to stay away from the Holley electric pumps unless you enjoy replacing them. I've been through 2 of them. Now I'm using a Carter and so far so good. It's a superior design in my opinion. It appears to have a bowl in which the motor sits, simulating an in-tank pump, which in turn cools much better. The Holley got hot to the touch. This one only gets warm. And it's made in the USA.
The problem you are having with your mechanical pump is either your timing cover has been replaced with one from a 1954 model, or the engine is not original to the '61. At least some '54 models used a pump which mounts "upside down." You will find that the water pump is also smaller than the correct one if it is in fact the early timing cover.
You should start looking for a correct timing cover in anticipation of any future problems but if you get yourself going with another electric pump, it won't be critical to replace it immediately.
I strongly advise you to stay away from the Holley electric pumps unless you enjoy replacing them. I've been through 2 of them. Now I'm using a Carter and so far so good. It's a superior design in my opinion. It appears to have a bowl in which the motor sits, simulating an in-tank pump, which in turn cools much better. The Holley got hot to the touch. This one only gets warm. And it's made in the USA.
The problem you are having with your mechanical pump is either your timing cover has been replaced with one from a 1954 model, or the engine is not original to the '61. At least some '54 models used a pump which mounts "upside down." You will find that the water pump is also smaller than the correct one if it is in fact the early timing cover.
You should start looking for a correct timing cover in anticipation of any future problems but if you get yourself going with another electric pump, it won't be critical to replace it immediately.
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Couldn't get mechanical pump to fit.
I went with an electric from Airtex. Model E8016S. So far it is working fine.
My truck still runs a little rough at higher speeds.
I think a carb rebuild is in order next.
thanks all for the advice!!!
I went with an electric from Airtex. Model E8016S. So far it is working fine.
My truck still runs a little rough at higher speeds.
I think a carb rebuild is in order next.
thanks all for the advice!!!
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Hi, I'm James I have been trying to get information on the glass bowl type fuel pumps. They do filter the gas? How do you remove and clean the filter sorry for hijacking your thread you both seem like you would know the answer to my question and I'm eager to get back to work on my truck.
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Hi, I'm James I have been trying to get information on the glass bowl type fuel pumps. They do filter the gas? How do you remove and clean the filter sorry for hijacking your thread you both seem like you would know the answer to my question and I'm eager to get back to work on my truck.
Loosen the serrated nut, then swing the bale out of the way, remove the bowl.
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Hi guys, I just bought a 1962 Ford F100. It is a straight six. I am having trouble finding a fuel pump. Is it ok to ask for suggestions for retailers?
I ordered one from the local auto store that look very different from the one already in there. The old fuel pump had the glass bowl with a filter in it. The new one does not so my mechanic said to put in a in line filter which we did before the pump.
Now the truck will start up but won't keep running....just putters out real fast.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Maura
I ordered one from the local auto store that look very different from the one already in there. The old fuel pump had the glass bowl with a filter in it. The new one does not so my mechanic said to put in a in line filter which we did before the pump.
Now the truck will start up but won't keep running....just putters out real fast.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Maura
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