Hesitation under light acceleration
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That's about what I paid. My ones came from Hong Kong if I remember correctly. Those should arrive a lot quicker since they're already in the US.
You might also want to check the PCV valves and hoses before you spend the cash. The PCV hose can perish or fall off easily without you noticing, basically any of the hoses going into the throttle body could leak or fall off making it run a little lean. You might have bumped somethign off when changing the plugs.
I'd recommend doing the fuel injectors at the same time. With the fuel rails out its a lot easier to remove the COP's... and you can kill 2 birds with one stone.
You might also want to check the PCV valves and hoses before you spend the cash. The PCV hose can perish or fall off easily without you noticing, basically any of the hoses going into the throttle body could leak or fall off making it run a little lean. You might have bumped somethign off when changing the plugs.
I'd recommend doing the fuel injectors at the same time. With the fuel rails out its a lot easier to remove the COP's... and you can kill 2 birds with one stone.
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AS of yesterday, I now have the same problem! 2000 Expedition. I suspected plugs and have been told that replacing plugs could cost thousands as they won't come out (old) and the head has to be removed to drill them out! My hesitation problem (missing) started in one day and has gotten worse. Next step? I do not work on my engine but have rebuilt engines (aircraft: much, much simpler).
I do not want to go to the dealer and have everything replaced, like Manuel did.
Suggestions?
I do not want to go to the dealer and have everything replaced, like Manuel did.
Suggestions?
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Sabrajet
I suggest you investigate the cheap easy fixes first like a like a loose vacuum hose and checking the fuel pressure. Changing the COP (or the spark plugs for that matter) is not an easy job.
The modern spark plug is designed for 10's of thousands of miles, so I very much doubt they are causing a mis-fire. The COP (Coil on plug) sits on top of the spark plug and these seem to be a comon problem after 100,000 miles.
Whoever told you that the head has to be drilled to remove the spark plugs it talking @#$*. What are they going to drill anyway?? and how does removing the head help them drill it? If they're your mechanic I suggest you find another one. In the WORST case scenario you could force the spark plug out and fix the hole using a helicoil - The head stays in the truck.
I suggest you investigate the cheap easy fixes first like a like a loose vacuum hose and checking the fuel pressure. Changing the COP (or the spark plugs for that matter) is not an easy job.
The modern spark plug is designed for 10's of thousands of miles, so I very much doubt they are causing a mis-fire. The COP (Coil on plug) sits on top of the spark plug and these seem to be a comon problem after 100,000 miles.
Whoever told you that the head has to be drilled to remove the spark plugs it talking @#$*. What are they going to drill anyway?? and how does removing the head help them drill it? If they're your mechanic I suggest you find another one. In the WORST case scenario you could force the spark plug out and fix the hole using a helicoil - The head stays in the truck.
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Sabrejet - Start cheap/simple, I agree. But that said, the plugs, COPS and injectors are not that hard. Just take your time, stay patient and ignore the scraped knuckles. I had both plugs and injectors done in about 3 hours. Do a search, there are a few good threads here that are a great primer to getting going on the plugs/COPs/injectors.
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I've already changed the plugs, so teh COP's won't take me long.
I've looked around the engine and there doesn't seem to be anything out of order as far as PCV.
Sucky thing is, my wife just started working full time so I don't know when I'm going to drop it off to the dealer.
So it's try the COP's from Ebay, or wait to drop it off. Grrrr
I've looked around the engine and there doesn't seem to be anything out of order as far as PCV.
Sucky thing is, my wife just started working full time so I don't know when I'm going to drop it off to the dealer.
So it's try the COP's from Ebay, or wait to drop it off. Grrrr
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AS of yesterday, I now have the same problem! 2000 Expedition. I suspected plugs and have been told that replacing plugs could cost thousands as they won't come out (old) and the head has to be removed to drill them out! My hesitation problem (missing) started in one day and has gotten worse. Next step? I do not work on my engine but have rebuilt engines (aircraft: much, much simpler).
I do not want to go to the dealer and have everything replaced, like Manuel did.
Suggestions?
I do not want to go to the dealer and have everything replaced, like Manuel did.
Suggestions?
I didn't go to the dealer dude. I changed plugs and everything except COP's by myself.
It wasn't hard at all. Just takes time.
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on my 03 there's a vac line that runs behind the intake (waaaay back there) to the pass side and, as I recall, under the batt tray.
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From: Denton, TX
Please keep in mind, though, that you get what you pay for, and the Chinese made COP's might not last very long, or some of them might even be defective straight out of the box.
When I had a 2000 EB a few years back, I bought a set of Ford COP's from Ebay for around 200 bucks, or so. Not sure if the seller is still there. Can't remember the name.
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Please keep in mind, though, that you get what you pay for, and the Chinese made COPs might not last very long, or some of them might even be defective straight out of the box.
When I had a 2000 EB a few years back, I bought a set of Ford COPs from eBay for around 200 bucks, or so.
When I had a 2000 EB a few years back, I bought a set of Ford COPs from eBay for around 200 bucks, or so.
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From: Franklin, NC
I just went through this. It was an ignition coil (COP). The problem started off just like yours, but got worse with time and threw a code. Don't cheap out and buy Fleabay parts. Ask the dealer what they charge to diagnose, then how much to diagnose and repair.
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Just replaced all COPs about 45 minutes ago (took about 1 - 1.5 hours) and the truck runs like new again.
So now I have:
- new fuel filter (not the fix but was needed)
- new plugs (not the fix but was needed)
- new injectors (not the fix but was needed)
- new cops (this was the fix!)
Not relevant but needed so I replaced: new serpentine belt, oil change
I feel like I am driving a new vehicle!
So now I have:
- new fuel filter (not the fix but was needed)
- new plugs (not the fix but was needed)
- new injectors (not the fix but was needed)
- new cops (this was the fix!)
Not relevant but needed so I replaced: new serpentine belt, oil change
I feel like I am driving a new vehicle!
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Replaced COPS (bought off Ebay)
New MotorCraft plugs
Replaced 2 Vac lines
Cleaned inside of throttle body
Happy to say the shudder/chugging is gone and the 170K Expy is running good again!
Had to buy some fuel injector o-rings from Autozone...lost one when I pulled the fuel rail, off the top of the injector...
New MotorCraft plugs
Replaced 2 Vac lines
Cleaned inside of throttle body
Happy to say the shudder/chugging is gone and the 170K Expy is running good again!
Had to buy some fuel injector o-rings from Autozone...lost one when I pulled the fuel rail, off the top of the injector...
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Just an update. I bought the COP's off of fleabay, and they are sitting in a box in front of me. I'm going to replace them this weekend.
I would do it when my wife gets home at 6 because I don't feel it would take that long, but I was looking, the jackass who owned it before me broke the head off of the bolt that hold one of the COP's in place. Its a front one, so it's not to hard to get to, but there isn't much stick above the surface. I'm going to see if I can get some vice grips on it and remove it that way.
I would do it when my wife gets home at 6 because I don't feel it would take that long, but I was looking, the jackass who owned it before me broke the head off of the bolt that hold one of the COP's in place. Its a front one, so it's not to hard to get to, but there isn't much stick above the surface. I'm going to see if I can get some vice grips on it and remove it that way.
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I know you probably already have the COPS changed, I just went through the same thing, well I had the chugging like trans issues with just a little hesitation from time to time. Bought the COPS on Ebay - this batch was BWD parts and had the dealer do the plugs. Solved the issues. I had 78,000 miles. COPS or Plugs, I don't know which, but it really solved the problem and with a 4.6 I need all to be running well anyway.
Good luck
Mike
Good luck
Mike