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Old Apr 29, 2010 | 08:50 AM
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I agree with the idea of no restrictions. But, in the big picture of Diesel history, CCV to intake is new. I have a 98 dodge and the hose comes out of one of the valve covers, and goes about 2 feet down and vents right beside the oil pan. Just like they all have for about 100 years. Venting to intake is a feel good measure for the Al Gore crowd. But in the long run it is bad for the environment. Items that reduce the life of a diesel hurt the environment more than the little that some measure like this might save. It is new truck that goes 150k miles with reduced emissions verses a much more reliable truck that goes 500k miles with no issues at all. I have asked many in the “green” but have never gotten a good (honest) answer, “what is the carbon “foot print” end total when you add the fact that it will require 3 or 4 trucks (manufacturing, shipping, paperwork, reduced reliability meaning manufacturing of parts and cost, much poorer MPG, disposal of each, etc.) compared to my one truck that has the greater emission?
 
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Old Apr 29, 2010 | 08:57 AM
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And BTW nice job HUBLER13F
 
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Old Apr 29, 2010 | 09:32 AM
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I agree 100% with the closed loop system but don't like the idea of getting the filtration component out on the frame rail of the truck. At 10 degrees and with a 70 mile wind chill factor I know you are going to have problems. Thats why I have to stick with a engine compartment solution. The only other place I might a shot at it passenger side of the truck using the exhaust to provide protect. Of course the flip side to this is the vapor will never condense and separate if it doesn't cool down which is one of the key goals.

Maybe a cold weather solution might be in order for these type of mount such as a insulation barrier of some type.
Ran my CCV6000 all winter long where ambiant temps were sustained at 20*F and wind chill much lower, and it worked like a champ (mounted along driver side frame rail). Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums - MoyockPowerstroke's Album: CCV Filter. Incidentally, Parker makes a heater element that helps with this. http://www.parker.com/literature/Racor/12994_Rev_A_CCV_Heater_Kits.pdf
 
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Old Apr 29, 2010 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by yz400f
I agree with the idea of no restrictions. But, in the big picture of Diesel history, CCV to intake is new. I have a 98 dodge and the hose comes out of one of the valve covers, and goes about 2 feet down and vents right beside the oil pan. Just like they all have for about 100 years. Venting to intake is a feel good measure for the Al Gore crowd. But in the long run it is bad for the environment. Items that reduce the life of a diesel hurt the environment more than the little that some measure like this might save. It is new truck that goes 150k miles with reduced emissions verses a much more reliable truck that goes 500k miles with no issues at all. I have asked many in the “green” but have never gotten a good (honest) answer, “what is the carbon “foot print” end total when you add the fact that it will require 3 or 4 trucks (manufacturing, shipping, paperwork, reduced reliability meaning manufacturing of parts and cost, much poorer MPG, disposal of each, etc.) compared to my one truck that has the greater emission?
Would have to agree with you on this being a relatively new concept to over-the-road applications, but Marine Diesel applications is a different story, where they really could never enjoy venting within the hull of the ship, so if you want to learn the most about CCV filtration look to our Marine Diesel bretheran.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2010 | 11:07 AM
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Why over think it.
Don't you want the oil and water vapor to drop out of the air?
If everything cools on the way down to the filter so much the better. JMO
 
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Old Apr 29, 2010 | 02:52 PM
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Just curios MOYOCKPOWERSTROKE have you ever monitored the crankcase pressure with these kind of temps? It may be a mute point perhaps the temp of the CC flow in a closed loop system is enough to keep things from freezing and with the flow your racor can handle you get plenty of it. Still think I am going to go for the engine compartment with a DIY and save a little money for my egr delete. Besides that its a challange and can't help myself. May look back on it one day and say damm I should have just went with the Racor 6000.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 11:14 PM
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Hey MOYOCKPOWERSTROKE, Is there a way to monitor the pressure of the crankcase? The Recor adaptors for the CCV6000 are pricey. Don't want my dipstick acting like a turkey thermomitor. What kind of pressure are we tring to stay away from? Isn't CFM flow? Want to install the 6000 but would like to monitor it more easily than crawling under the truck to check it. Sure it's fine during the summer but when it's a couple feet of snow.....

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Old Jun 30, 2010 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mackl1
Just curios MOYOCKPOWERSTROKE have you ever monitored the crankcase pressure with these kind of temps? It may be a mute point perhaps the temp of the CC flow in a closed loop system is enough to keep things from freezing and with the flow your racor can handle you get plenty of it. Still think I am going to go for the engine compartment with a DIY and save a little money for my egr delete. Besides that its a challange and can't help myself. May look back on it one day and say damm I should have just went with the Racor 6000.
The Racor CCV4500 will also work and is less money. Bismic has written quite a bit about flow and pressure in this area.
IIRC not many, if anyone have said that they have replaced their Racor CCV filters.
 
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