F1 radiator replacement
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F1 radiator replacement
Anyone have a favorite replacement radiator for their F1. I need to replace mine and I'm looking for a good experience-or bad ones if you bought a catalog unit and aren't happy--let me know that too please.
I've got a 48F1 with a 312Yblock and the OEM radiator is too corroded to repair. I'm thinking of getting a OEM looking replacement 4 row unit from Sacto Vintage Ford. My current catalog prices them at $475. I see some less expensive units at NPD but they're 3row and not 4. Plus the Sacto unit comes with a built in tranny cooler/don't need that now/but who knows the future? And the NPD is supposedly not OEM appearing. Not a deal buster, but something.
I'm willing to spend a little more--if I get better cooling--Don't really know if the Sacto 4 row is bigger/better than the 3row NPD. Of course the implication is that they are. But who know's. Just because it costs more doesn't mean its better. But the picture of the Sacto unit looks like the OEM--which i would prefer-It would be nice. Another plus.
I'm guessing the Sacto unit is a China import--much of their stuff is. I'd be
OK with that if the quality is there--But a lot of that stuff always looks a little thinner/lighter etc. Not as substantial looking to me.
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I've got a 48F1 with a 312Yblock and the OEM radiator is too corroded to repair. I'm thinking of getting a OEM looking replacement 4 row unit from Sacto Vintage Ford. My current catalog prices them at $475. I see some less expensive units at NPD but they're 3row and not 4. Plus the Sacto unit comes with a built in tranny cooler/don't need that now/but who knows the future? And the NPD is supposedly not OEM appearing. Not a deal buster, but something.
I'm willing to spend a little more--if I get better cooling--Don't really know if the Sacto 4 row is bigger/better than the 3row NPD. Of course the implication is that they are. But who know's. Just because it costs more doesn't mean its better. But the picture of the Sacto unit looks like the OEM--which i would prefer-It would be nice. Another plus.
I'm guessing the Sacto unit is a China import--much of their stuff is. I'd be
OK with that if the quality is there--But a lot of that stuff always looks a little thinner/lighter etc. Not as substantial looking to me.
Tom
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I bought my radiator from Hot Rods Trucks. Its a direct replacement for the original. It also has a tranny cooler. It was made by US radiator. Can't remember what i paid for it but i have not had any problems.
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I found their catalog-I had one in the shop. I can't recall ordering from them before-but I've heard lots of good stuff. And I see in their catalog 11, the one I have, which is probably almost current, that they offer a nice selection. I especially like that they have some elect fans with shrouds installed alternatives etc. Expensive I know but I guess I need a elect fan too because my manual fan is just too far from the radiator. The previous owner installed the motor with an adapter to the OEM 4speed tranny--which I like--but its got the motor way back against the firewall in order to make it happen, and too far away to solve with a mechanical fan spacer. Expensive i know but maybe necessary.
I'll phone them tomorrow and see about current prices etc. Thanks
Tom
I'll phone them tomorrow and see about current prices etc. Thanks
Tom
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I'd seriously consider the three row instead of the four. My past experience with four row radiators is that they are harder to pass air through. A three row should cool your 312 with no problem. I'm currently running a three row 75 Dodge truck radiator in my 48 F-3 with a 350 Chevy and plan to run a 68 Mustang three row in my 49 F-1 with a 302. The 350 never goes over 180 degrees...
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Thanks Vern. I'm thinking along that line myself. The 312 is not a built up motor, and doesn't run hot or anything. There's usually a big difference in price -25%+ for a 4 row etc. I dont' think in my application its a must etc.
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And while I'm thinking about it, I've got an elect fan on another truck, but I prefer mechanical over elect whenever possible--but in this situation I'm already using the longest fan spacer available and I'm still - I don't know?-3inches or so too far from the radiator? Something like that-I'd have to measure to be more exact. Its too far anyway for the mechanical fan to work well, but does the Ford Yblock motor have a "long" water pump? I'm not a Chevy expert etc--but I recall on their small blocks they have a choice between a long or short water pump which could solve my problem by getting the fan closer to the radiator. Of course I could actually move the radiator towards the motor with some home made "spacer" type affair, but I'm not sure I'd be happy with the cosmetics? I could do it, but it might be wierder looking than I want. I don't want that.
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And while I'm thinking about it, I've got an elect fan on another truck, but I prefer mechanical over elect whenever possible--but in this situation I'm already using the longest fan spacer available and I'm still - I don't know?-3inches or so too far from the radiator? Something like that-I'd have to measure to be more exact. Its too far anyway for the mechanical fan to work well, but does the Ford Yblock motor have a "long" water pump? I'm not a Chevy expert etc--but I recall on their small blocks they have a choice between a long or short water pump which could solve my problem by getting the fan closer to the radiator. Of course I could actually move the radiator towards the motor with some home made "spacer" type affair, but I'm not sure I'd be happy with the cosmetics? I could do it, but it might be wierder looking than I want. I don't want that.
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two radiator positions
Wow--Bill -49Willard
I just went out and looked. You know I didn't know that-lol. By golly there are 2 positons. I kinda noticed the extra holes in the front inner fender panels when I recently replaced them. The original inner fenders had been removed by the previous owner to make room for some big fender exiting exhaust headers etc. In fact I was thinking of welding the holes closed etc. I didn't know they had a purpose. But I just crawled underneath and it appears that the radiator/frame support bracket thingee is held in place by 2 bolts that run through that front crossmember. And I see that there are 2 sets of holes. From what you say I can see now that yes my trucks radiator is set up for the longer 6 cylinder block etc. I'll unbolt the radiator support and reinstall in the V8 position.
Wow I'm glad someone asked. I'm new to F1's. Never had one before so there's lots for me to learn.
So this should solve the problem at getting the radiator close enough to the mechanical fan.
Thanks
Tom
I just went out and looked. You know I didn't know that-lol. By golly there are 2 positons. I kinda noticed the extra holes in the front inner fender panels when I recently replaced them. The original inner fenders had been removed by the previous owner to make room for some big fender exiting exhaust headers etc. In fact I was thinking of welding the holes closed etc. I didn't know they had a purpose. But I just crawled underneath and it appears that the radiator/frame support bracket thingee is held in place by 2 bolts that run through that front crossmember. And I see that there are 2 sets of holes. From what you say I can see now that yes my trucks radiator is set up for the longer 6 cylinder block etc. I'll unbolt the radiator support and reinstall in the V8 position.
Wow I'm glad someone asked. I'm new to F1's. Never had one before so there's lots for me to learn.
So this should solve the problem at getting the radiator close enough to the mechanical fan.
Thanks
Tom
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Ideally, you want the fan within an inch of the radiator. I like mine even closer, like 1/2 inch...and use the largest diameter fan you have clearance for. It won't hurt if the fan has multiple blades also. If the fan is reasonably centered in the radiator you might not even need a shroud. I not running one on my 48 and plan not to run one on my 49 if I can get away with it. I also block off all the places where air can bypass the radiator like the sides, top, and below, forcing all the air that enters the grille to go through the radiator...not around it...
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Wow--Bill -49Willard
I just went out and looked. You know I didn't know that-lol. By golly there are 2 positons. I kinda noticed the extra holes in the front inner fender panels when I recently replaced them. The original inner fenders had been removed by the previous owner to make room for some big fender exiting exhaust headers etc. In fact I was thinking of welding the holes closed etc. I didn't know they had a purpose. But I just crawled underneath and it appears that the radiator/frame support bracket thingee is held in place by 2 bolts that run through that front crossmember. And I see that there are 2 sets of holes. From what you say I can see now that yes my trucks radiator is set up for the longer 6 cylinder block etc. I'll unbolt the radiator support and reinstall in the V8 position.
Wow I'm glad someone asked. I'm new to F1's. Never had one before so there's lots for me to learn.
So this should solve the problem at getting the radiator close enough to the mechanical fan.
Thanks
Tom
I just went out and looked. You know I didn't know that-lol. By golly there are 2 positons. I kinda noticed the extra holes in the front inner fender panels when I recently replaced them. The original inner fenders had been removed by the previous owner to make room for some big fender exiting exhaust headers etc. In fact I was thinking of welding the holes closed etc. I didn't know they had a purpose. But I just crawled underneath and it appears that the radiator/frame support bracket thingee is held in place by 2 bolts that run through that front crossmember. And I see that there are 2 sets of holes. From what you say I can see now that yes my trucks radiator is set up for the longer 6 cylinder block etc. I'll unbolt the radiator support and reinstall in the V8 position.
Wow I'm glad someone asked. I'm new to F1's. Never had one before so there's lots for me to learn.
So this should solve the problem at getting the radiator close enough to the mechanical fan.
Thanks
Tom
If you need original V-8 air dams they come up on ebay and others on the forum may have a set to sell.
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6 versus v8 airdams
Hey Bill
That's a good question--yes and no. The top air dam is in place but the bottom one was given to me by the previous owner but I havent' yet put it in. I just put the inner fenders in last week etc. And I was doing the radiator work etc before installing the lower air dam. And I'm thinking it must be the 6cylinder because I've test fitted it as is and it fits tightly but obviously won't once I move the radiator mount et al to the V8 location.
So yes I'll have to shop for that for sure, and you're saying the upper air dam is different to uh? OK I'll need to get that too.
Thanks
Tom
That's a good question--yes and no. The top air dam is in place but the bottom one was given to me by the previous owner but I havent' yet put it in. I just put the inner fenders in last week etc. And I was doing the radiator work etc before installing the lower air dam. And I'm thinking it must be the 6cylinder because I've test fitted it as is and it fits tightly but obviously won't once I move the radiator mount et al to the V8 location.
So yes I'll have to shop for that for sure, and you're saying the upper air dam is different to uh? OK I'll need to get that too.
Thanks
Tom
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My 2 cents is with Coolcraft(made in the USA), I bought a 4 row for my French FH and a 3300 cfm electric fan from summit and there working great together. They offer both brass and aluminum type old school or new.
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