Power Steering Pump Headache
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I'm going to call the company that I ordered my engine from tomorrow to see if they can tell me more about the water pump. I did look through oodles of pictures trying to find something that will work. I found two pictures that caught my eye. This first one, I'm going to e-mail the guy to see if he can give me a part number for the bracket. Here is the pic:
This next one is actually from a company that I have bought something from before. I just don't know if it will work. I am going to e-mail them to see if they can send me specific measurements on it. If it's close, I'd be willing to spend the $29 on it. It just looks like there is too much of an angle on it. And if there is a huge angle, I don't see how it would work. Here is the pic:
BlueOval, I went out and looked at the water pump and p/s bracket. There is no way to mount the bracket onto the water pump without having the p/s pump attached. None of the holes line up. It has to be something with the water pump like Bob said.
This next one is actually from a company that I have bought something from before. I just don't know if it will work. I am going to e-mail them to see if they can send me specific measurements on it. If it's close, I'd be willing to spend the $29 on it. It just looks like there is too much of an angle on it. And if there is a huge angle, I don't see how it would work. Here is the pic:
BlueOval, I went out and looked at the water pump and p/s bracket. There is no way to mount the bracket onto the water pump without having the p/s pump attached. None of the holes line up. It has to be something with the water pump like Bob said.
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I called Phoenix Engines today and they said they put a stock water pump on the engines. Looking at Wolverine's engine, they aren't the same. Hmm.
On my last post, the guy from the first picture wrote and said that he found a bracket that fits the p/s pump and modified it to fit his engine. So that wouldnt work for me. I'm still waiting on the company from the second picture to write me back to find out the measurements for it to find out if it will work. Hopefully they will write today. I'm ready to start on the next headache the truck will throw my way.
On my last post, the guy from the first picture wrote and said that he found a bracket that fits the p/s pump and modified it to fit his engine. So that wouldnt work for me. I'm still waiting on the company from the second picture to write me back to find out the measurements for it to find out if it will work. Hopefully they will write today. I'm ready to start on the next headache the truck will throw my way.
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I'ts all about priorities,..if your like me..or like most folk's,..you want to do a good job and not do something 1/2 way..so when you come across a situation like this,..you put your collective thoughts on the subject on a " things to do to the Truck" list,..and keep the ideas/thoughts rolling around in your head..keep the list on your workbench..
I try to keep 3 or 4 different things going at the sametime..multi-task, so I must be having the same problems as your having LoL! Keep an open mind and be creative.
Then, go on to something else more productive..in the meantime,as information comes in,..you make another decision and llfe goes on..that's on top of the Honey-do list,taking the kids to baseball,maintaing the daily driver..etc,etc..Ain't life Grand!
Keep after it!..it's coming along fine!
I try to keep 3 or 4 different things going at the sametime..multi-task, so I must be having the same problems as your having LoL! Keep an open mind and be creative.
Then, go on to something else more productive..in the meantime,as information comes in,..you make another decision and llfe goes on..that's on top of the Honey-do list,taking the kids to baseball,maintaing the daily driver..etc,etc..Ain't life Grand!
Keep after it!..it's coming along fine!
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No luck on the company giving measurements for the bracket I was looking at. But I found something that just might work. I want to run it across you guys to see if you think it would be safe to do.
If you look at the alternator bracket in the third picture down in my original post, that thing almost works. It sits too close to the engine, so I would have to put a several washers in there and buy longer screws for the water pump. The hole where the bolt goes into the block is just a smidgen off. I would have to shave the hole on the end just slightly so the bolt goes it smoothly. Do you guys think that is a safe way of mounting to p/s pump?
If I were to do that, I still need to find a way to put tension on the pump. The tension bracket for the alternator is too think and would rub against the pulley so I couldn't use it. I was thinking maybe get a strip of metal, drill a hole in the side to bolt to the water pump. Then use something to make the metal of the circular motion the pump moves in. Then take it to a local place with a plasma cutter and have them cut it out for me.
Yea or Nay???
If you look at the alternator bracket in the third picture down in my original post, that thing almost works. It sits too close to the engine, so I would have to put a several washers in there and buy longer screws for the water pump. The hole where the bolt goes into the block is just a smidgen off. I would have to shave the hole on the end just slightly so the bolt goes it smoothly. Do you guys think that is a safe way of mounting to p/s pump?
If I were to do that, I still need to find a way to put tension on the pump. The tension bracket for the alternator is too think and would rub against the pulley so I couldn't use it. I was thinking maybe get a strip of metal, drill a hole in the side to bolt to the water pump. Then use something to make the metal of the circular motion the pump moves in. Then take it to a local place with a plasma cutter and have them cut it out for me.
Yea or Nay???
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Has anyone thought to look at the old bracket and get the FoMoCo ID number off it?
There were so many types of these brackets used on everything, that Ford stamped ID numbers on them.
Once the bracket is ID'd as to what it fits, another bracket may be found that will work.
Just recently, someone in this forum wanted to know what a similar looking bracket marked C8OE fit.
The P/S pump's design changed in 1978 on everything (cars & trucks) except Econoline's as it uses the Saginaw pump.
1965/77: The reservoir and dipstick are steel / 1978 and later: the reservoir and dipstick are plastic.
Mounting brackets and the P/S pressure hose that fit one style of pump, will not fit the other.
There were so many types of these brackets used on everything, that Ford stamped ID numbers on them.
Once the bracket is ID'd as to what it fits, another bracket may be found that will work.
Just recently, someone in this forum wanted to know what a similar looking bracket marked C8OE fit.
The P/S pump's design changed in 1978 on everything (cars & trucks) except Econoline's as it uses the Saginaw pump.
1965/77: The reservoir and dipstick are steel / 1978 and later: the reservoir and dipstick are plastic.
Mounting brackets and the P/S pressure hose that fit one style of pump, will not fit the other.
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Even the serpentine system has an auto tensioner,..your going to need some way to adjust the P/S belt, so any idea 'without adjust-ability' ..still needs some thought. 
How are your jigging up and welding skills? .I might have to make two or three of what your describing before I got 1 to work.. lol! Don't let that stop you though...When I run into a belt issue like this,..I tape or clamp a straight-edge across the the pulley (waterpump in your case) too help me visualize things...and verify alignment.
There "HAS" to be a common bracket available for this engine,..have you checked the Mustang sites?
How are your jigging up and welding skills? .I might have to make two or three of what your describing before I got 1 to work.. lol! Don't let that stop you though...When I run into a belt issue like this,..I tape or clamp a straight-edge across the the pulley (waterpump in your case) too help me visualize things...and verify alignment.
There "HAS" to be a common bracket available for this engine,..have you checked the Mustang sites?
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Bill, On one of the brackets it has E2BC-3C5II-AA and SKD under that. I'm not sure if it is two IIs or if they are supposed to be LLs in the 3C5 part. The other bracket doesn't have anything on it. But it is almost identical to the first. The guy I bought the second from said it came off of a '70 Mustang. It has the metal reservoir, but still won't fit. The part number came off an 80's model...and you have previously told me that the bracket and pump won't work on my '69 block. I just haven't ever gotten rid of it yet. Used it to compare the two here. I don't understand why the bracket won't fit if it came off a '70 Mustang though.
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OK, I was out in my favorite salvage yard today and ran across a '69 or '70 F-150 with a 302 and P/S. It had this style of bracket on it and no A/C. You definitely need a different water pump. The pump on that engine had another boss cast into it for that top bolt in your bracket that your pump doesn't have. Ditto for the lower bracket bolt. It had a special tapped hole for it, too. I didn't have my camera with me at the time, but I'll be back out there on Monday or Tuesday. I'll take it with me and get a pic of it all assembled if you want.
Here's the pump you need. I looked it up for a 1970 F-100 with a 302. You can clearly see the extra two tapped holes:
Here's the pump you need. I looked it up for a 1970 F-100 with a 302. You can clearly see the extra two tapped holes:
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Fits: 1978 LTD 302/351M/400 / 1978/79 LTD II/Cougar/T-Bird 302 / 1980/81 Granada 255 / 1978/79 Fairmont/Zephyr 302 w/o A/C / 1980/82 Fairmont/Zephyr 255 w/o A/C.
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Hey Derek, I was at work last night when I posted and could not see the pics in this thread. (work computer blocks some pics). After looking at your setup today, go to my gallery and look in the rebuild folder at the last pics I have with the alternator installed. I ran into the same problem with it as you have with the power steering pump. I just could not get it to fit the factory bracket. I was missing part of the bracket. It bolts between the two bolt holes on the head. It has a hole in the middle that actually bolts the alternator right over the front freeze plug. It also had a spacer to align the pulley in the correct location. I know your motor is a 302 and mine is a 351W but just looking at the pics I believe that would fix your problem.
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Wolverine, I was actually going to say that it looks just like your picture posted earlier. I have a little homework I have to get done, but if I finish before the parts store closes I'll go pick it up and see if it'll work. Keep your fingers crossed.
Lakota, I'm not having problems with the alternator. I mounted it with no problems. It is the power steering pump I am having problems with. Hopefully I'll have it fixed this weekend with the new water pump!
Lakota, I'm not having problems with the alternator. I mounted it with no problems. It is the power steering pump I am having problems with. Hopefully I'll have it fixed this weekend with the new water pump!