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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 10:42 AM
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NEED HELP!!! ANYONE???

I'll try this again....got no replies last time. '94 F-150, 302: Starts great 1st thing in the morning, takes 5-10 secs. to fire up the rest of the day. Runs great otherwise. I've ran a few tests: Fuel pressure w/key on/engine off is 40 (spec. is 35-45), fuel pressure with engine at idle is 30 (spec. is 35-45). Turn off truck (and remove key) and pressure climbs to 40 and stays there for quite some time. This holds true for both tanks. Just replaced the fuel pressure regulator yesterday and no change. Replaced filter a week ago. Apparently, Ford had issues with dual tank models for a while. I dunno if mine was one of those. I want this problem fixed...it's a nice truck, but people look at you funny when it doesn't want to start (don't really care about them as much...I just like things to be right!) Help, please, anyone??? Subford, you seem to know your ****...any ideas?
 
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 10:50 AM
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Something weird goin on there. Does the truck have dual tanks? What is the fuel milage like?
 
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Heat from engine is raising the fuel pressure. No vacuum with the engine off so the FPR will not bypass any fuel back to the tank until it reaches 45 PSI.
May have a bad ECT or ACT sensor causing it to crank longer to start.

Have you pull the codes to see what they say?
 
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 11:38 AM
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Yes, dual tanks-
 
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by subford
Heat from engine is raising the fuel pressure. No vacuum with the engine off so the FPR will not bypass any fuel back to the tank until it reaches 45 PSI.
May have a bad ECT or ACT sensor causing it to crank longer to start.

Have you pull the codes to see what they say?

ECT is good...tested a couple days ago (resistance high when cold, lower when warm) What/where is the ACT? Had it plugged in a couple days ago and got no codes-
 
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Conanski
Something weird goin on there. Does the truck have dual tanks? What is the fuel milage like?

Yes, dual tanks. Mileage is about 15. Weird, I know! It just runs too good once it's fired up for it to be anything major. I'm hoping that it's nothing to do with fuel pumps. I don't really wanna pull the tanks. That wouldn't make sense to me either because has the same symptoms on both tanks-
 
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 12:23 PM
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The fuel system sounds like it is OK.
The ACT (Air Charge Temp) or IAT (Intake Air Temp.) sensor is located as in the photo below.



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Old Apr 18, 2010 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by subford
The fuel system sounds like it is OK.
The ACT (Air Charge Temp) or IAT (Intake Air Temp.) sensor is located as in the photo below.



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Subford, first off, thanks for your help so far...this is all new to me. I know I said that I got no codes, but I think the Auto Zone guy just didn't know what he was doing (he didn't wait long enough for the continuous codes to come up). I did a self test yesterday with a multimeter and jumper wire per Haynes. It was a bit confusing to me, and I'm not 100% that the results are correct. Here's what I found tho...got code 542 (should be sumthin with the fuel pump. I see you've dealt with this one before...read an old thread). Wierd tho, code 54 is for the ACT/IAT. Maybe I read it wrong? Haven't done a running test yet either. Also, parts store had the ACT in stock, but they showed me the one that screws into the intake, not the snap in one like you show (and like I have). Should I just change the friggen thing for 20 bucks? Still doesn't explain low fuel pressure either (30 psi when running and 40 with key on...spec. is 35-45 either way).
 
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The 542 code is normal if you grounded pin #6 of the EEC Self-Test connector to do a fuel system pressure check.

Moving the key on and off will not tell you much on a fuel pressure test.
With the engine not running and pin #6 grounded with the key on you should get about 45 PSI.
Idle should be from about 32-34 PSI and WOT should go to 40-42 PSI.
Your fuel pressure gauge may be off a little but with 30 PSI at idle you know you have great vacuum anyway.
All of your codes will have three numbers in them, unless you have a manual transmission.

More information on self-test go to:
Ford Fuel Injection How To Run a Self-Test

The older trucks used a screw in ACT in the intake but 1994 used the IAT in the filter box.
The auto parts store should have the IAT for your truck but if they do not list it for a 1994 try one for a 1995, they are the same.
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Old Apr 19, 2010 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by subford
The 542 code is normal if you grounded pin #6 of the EEC Self-Test connector to do a fuel system pressure check.

Moving the key on and off will not tell you much on a fuel pressure test.
With the engine not running and pin #6 grounded with the key on you should get about 45 PSI.
Idle should be from about 32-34 PSI and WOT should go to 40-42 PSI.
Your fuel pressure gauge may be off a little but with 30 PSI at idle you know you have great vacuum anyway.
All of your codes will have three numbers in them, unless you have a manual transmission.

More information on self-test go to:
Ford Fuel Injection How To Run a Self-Test

The older trucks used a screw in ACT in the intake but 1994 used the IAT in the filter box.
The auto parts store should have the IAT for your truck but if they do not list it for a 1994 try one for a 1995, they are the same.
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...sounds like my guage may be off a bit. Found the IAT and tested...it seems fine. Again, (like the coolant temp. sensor) low resistance at high temp., high resistance at low temp, and the connector tested 5 volts. OK, so you may have explained the fuel pump code (although I've reset it since and it came back), but I did a KOER test yesterday. Got a 538 (because I didn't do WOT test when I should've) and also a 532 (data comm. link or elec. inst. cluster failure). Remember, the only symptom is that it just doesn't want to fire right up when warm...takes 5-10 secs. or so, or floor it while cranking and it'll start. You think the symptom has anything to do with the 532 code? OK, just looked at the procedure for self test...it's different than what Haynes tells me to do. Lemme get this right...all I gotta do to prep for the test is ground the STI, turn key on and watch the check engine light?
 

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Originally Posted by subford
The 542 code is normal if you grounded pin #6 of the EEC Self-Test connector to do a fuel system pressure check.

Moving the key on and off will not tell you much on a fuel pressure test.
With the engine not running and pin #6 grounded with the key on you should get about 45 PSI.
Idle should be from about 32-34 PSI and WOT should go to 40-42 PSI.
Your fuel pressure gauge may be off a little but with 30 PSI at idle you know you have great vacuum anyway.
All of your codes will have three numbers in them, unless you have a manual transmission.

More information on self-test go to:
Ford Fuel Injection How To Run a Self-Test

The older trucks used a screw in ACT in the intake but 1994 used the IAT in the filter box.
The auto parts store should have the IAT for your truck but if they do not list it for a 1994 try one for a 1995, they are the same.
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OK Subford...I think I've been wasting your time and mine. Stumbled upon the timing procedure on fordfuelinjection.com while reviewing the self test procedure. Come to find out, I've been doing everything wrong. When I set my timing a while ago, what I thought was the Spout connector wasn't. So, timing was off. Also, the codes I was getting during self-test all seem to have been operator error (didn't floor it, didn't test overdrive, etc.). Needless to say, I don't have any codes (KOEO, continuous, or KOER). Timing is properly set now as well (it was at 5deg. btdc). It was still having the same symptoms, so I pulled the dist. cap off....what a mess! All the terminals were black. I switched out the cap/rotor with a good used that the PO gave me (for now...I'll buy new when I can). So far, so good. I've fired her up 3 or 4 times since then and seems to be OK. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Hey man, forgive me...I'm learning. And, to be honest, I'm actually an air-cooled VW guy at heart. No computer there...just air, fuel, and spark! Thanks for your help...I'll be calling on you again I'm sure-
 
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