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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 04:47 PM
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Wallowing Front End

What have you guys done to alleviate the worst handling trucks in the world? Heck, I had an old '85 F250 that handles better than my 2000 F250. I can't take it anymore. Turn the wheel back and forth and the truck body takes half an hour to catch up.

Truck has new ball joints, front shocks (gas matics), end links, etc. Truck does not have a steering stabilizer shock but I doubt that would help this issue.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 04:55 PM
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The steering gear box is shot. Maybe just needs adjustment. But on a 2000, probably shot. A search here will turn up lots of info on the very common issue, including an excellent aftermarket unit from Redhead.

One thread:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...installed.html
 
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bpounds
The steering gear box is shot. Maybe just needs adjustment. But on a 2000, probably shot. A search here will turn up lots of info on the very common issue, including an excellent aftermarket unit from Redhead.

One thread:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...installed.html
Thanks, but it has nothing to do with the gearbox.

Maybe a better way to say what I mean is there is WAY too much body roll. Turn the wheel quickly back and forth, the wheels react, but the body doesn't.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 05:10 PM
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If you think it's body roll or sway issue then it can be sway bar issues, spring issues, or even the track bar. Check the bushings in all three of these areas. And it can still be the steering box. If there is slop in the steering box you can turn the steering wheel alot before it actual turns the front wheels. This can be felt as a delay or body roll.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Monster-4
If you think it's body roll or sway issue then it can be sway bar issues, spring issues, or even the track bar. Check the bushings in all three of these areas. And it can still be the steering box. If there is slop in the steering box you can turn the steering wheel alot before it actual turns the front wheels. This can be felt as a delay or body roll.
Easy way to check for steering box slop is rest a finger on the steering wheel at idle and slowly turn the wheel watching to see if the front wheels move with the steering wheel. Mine do with just a tiny bit of delay.

It's not the box guys. It has something to do with the way too heavy front end and the way too soft suspension bits.

Does anyone put out a poly bushing kit for these trucks? I think that is the next step.

ETA: Come to think of it, my 1990 Bronco with a 8 inch lift and jumbo tires handled better than this truck. Is the diesel engine that much heavier than a regular V8 to make such a difference?
 
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 05:32 PM
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Easy way to check for steering box slop is rest a finger on the steering wheel at idle and slowly turn the wheel watching to see if the front wheels move with the steering wheel. Mine do with just a tiny bit of delay.
Agreed, if it's not sloppy, then it's not the box. It's also not a sports car, and mine is anything but soft in the front. So I don't know what to tell you. Checking the sway bar is good advice from monster. They are also a common wear point. Then there are shocks. What are "gas matics"? What GVWR is this truck? There were several spring options available. Poly body mount kits are available if you really think it is body slump.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 05:36 PM
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Energy Suspensions makes a full poly bushing kit. I have their track bar and sway bar bushing. When I finally have the money I will replace my front springs and use Energy Suspension bushing for the new springs.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 05:39 PM
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I assume this is a stock suspension, right? No lift, or god forbid, lift blocks?
 
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 05:57 PM
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I assume this is a stock suspension, right? No lift, or god forbid, lift blocks?
Totally stock.

I will look into Energy suspensions.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 09:56 PM
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After the ball joints/tierods ect. did you have a "professional" alignment done?
 
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DAVE67FD
After the ball joints/tierods ect. did you have a "professional" alignment done?
Haven't done the alignment yet, (and yes, I do know I need to get it done) but that is not going to cause the slow mo response of the suspension vs. body. It may however be a good starting point to ensure everything is at factory specs.
 
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Yes, Have it aligned first and mention the body roll. They can check the swaybar bushings and links as well as track bar bushings. They can sometimes look ok but arent. Mis-adjusted/bad tie-rods can exhibit similar effects. How is it in low speed cornering? Do you have excessive front end "leaning"?

If you still have the issues after the alignment and check-out let us know.
 
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What tires and pressures are you running?
 
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