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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 05:29 AM
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How to??? Automatic shifter question

1965 F250 3 speed auto. How do you adjust the shifter to tighten up into each drive selection? There is a little play that prevents starting due to the NSS. I have to push the shifter at times hard left to start due to the play.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 05:54 AM
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Sounds like your column needs to be rebuilt, The bushings are gone. You can also start it in the N position until you get it repaired.

Bill will have part numbers for you.



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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 06:24 AM
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The NSS is located on the steering column, down low, near the firewall. It is affixed by 2 hex-headed self tapping screws. They are on the backside, or downside of the column, and can be hard to see.
Chock the wheels, and put the truck in Neutral.
Loosen them, but no more than 1 full turn, or they may work themselves out completely.
Slide the switch clockwise and tighten the switch down.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by F250GH
1965 F250 3 speed auto. How do you adjust the shifter to tighten up into each drive selection? There is a little play that prevents starting due to the NSS.

I have to push the shifter at times hard left to start due to the play.
Typical problem on old rolling piles of misery. If I had a nickel...

You have to wiggle the shift lever to get the vehicle to start in Park or Neutral. The problem is...there are myriad possible reasons why.

On the bottom of the upper flange is a half moon shaped detent composed of individual gates. The shift lever has a tab on it that fits in between the gates: \ I I I I I /

What happens is: Ppl put the vehicle into Park before setting the hand brake: This causes the vehicle to roll...just enough that the parking pawl inside the trans locks up tight.

Now the shift lever has to be YANKED out of Park to free up the parking pawl. Sooner or later, the individual gate between Park and Reverse snaps off.

C5TZ7A216A .. Detent / Obsolete / Fits: 1965/66 F100/350 / One Ford Dealer has ONE. No obsolete parts vendor has any.
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NSS mounted on the steering column: There is a spring steel selector lever that snaps onto the shift tube thru a hole in the mast jacket. The end of this lever fits into the NSS.

The knife blade shaped end is notorious for snapping off, or the little darlin' loses tensile strength and falls off.

DOTZ7B097B (replaced DOTZ7B097A & C5TZ7B097A) .. Detent / Obsolete / Fits: 1965/66 F100/250 & 1967/77 F100/350.

Ford recently obsoleted this lever, but there's about 200 available at dealers/obsolete parts vendors.
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The NSS is defective. 1965/66: There are two different ones.

If an MX Cruise-O-Matic (352, some F250/350's w/the 300 I-6), the NSS is on the steering column. C5TZ7A247A .. NSS (Motorcraft SW436) / Obsolete

32 are available from dealers/obsolete parts vendors. I dunno if it can be bought from a parts store...or not.
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If a C4 (1965/66 F100 I-6, most 1965/66 F250/350 I-6's), the NSS is located on the transmission: C4UZ7A247D .. NSS (Motorcraft SW585) / Also fits 1964/67 Econolines / Obsolete

20 are available from dealers/obsolete parts vendors. Again, I dunno if this can be bought from a parts store.
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In addition, the steering column upper/lower bearings could be worn ([2] C3DZ3517A-available from Ford).

There is a bushing and insulator that fits into the A/T's selector lever at the bottom of the steering column under the hood. The rubber bushing could be age cracked.

When this occurs (on an A/T only), the lever has slop in it.

C5TZ7343A .. Bushing & Insulator Kit (also used w/3 speed manual & 3 speed Overdrive) / Obsolete / Fits 1965/72 A/T / 1965/79 3 M/T.

Another thing Ford just obsoleted. 100's are available from dealers/obsolete parts vendors.

Originally Posted by banjopicker
The NSS is mounted on the steering column.
Not necessarily. With a 352 = Yes // With a 240 I-6 = No // With a 300 I-6 .. Maybe yes, maybe no.

The OP's Good Humor truck is an I-6. I think it's a 240, but I'm not sure. Most 1965/66 I-6's used the C4, which has a transmission mounted NSS.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 12:53 PM
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pull it dude

get a manual took a me hour to just read what has to be done
 
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 03:44 PM
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Correct, it is a C4 with NSS on the trans. I6 240.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 06:45 PM
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Rebuild the column. Buy that last one as they are really hard to find. Also look at the shifter itself as the tang that slips in to the detent does wear.

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Old Feb 12, 2011 | 06:23 PM
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Update on this thread. I pulled the steering shaft and replaced the upper and lower bushing and plastic sleeve. Also found that the shifter lever is worn where the tab is located. See pics. The picture of the lower steering shaft shows the bushing in the wrong position. I just placed it on the shaft for the picture. The bushing in the lower end of the column was still good and didn't need replacement.
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Typical problem on old rolling piles of misery. If I had a nickel...

You have to wiggle the shift lever to get the vehicle to start in Park or Neutral. The problem is...there are myriad possible reasons why.

On the bottom of the upper flange is a half moon shaped detent composed of individual gates. The shift lever has a tab on it that fits in between the gates: \ I I I I I /

What happens is: Ppl put the vehicle into Park before setting the hand brake: This causes the vehicle to roll...just enough that the parking pawl inside the trans locks up tight.

Now the shift lever has to be YANKED out of Park to free up the parking pawl. Sooner or later, the individual gate between Park and Reverse snaps off.

C5TZ7A216A .. Detent / Obsolete / Fits: 1965/66 F100/350 / One Ford Dealer has ONE. No obsolete parts vendor has any.
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NSS mounted on the steering column: There is a spring steel selector lever that snaps onto the shift tube thru a hole in the mast jacket. The end of this lever fits into the NSS.

The knife blade shaped end is notorious for snapping off, or the little darlin' loses tensile strength and falls off.

DOTZ7B097B (replaced DOTZ7B097A & C5TZ7B097A) .. Detent / Obsolete / Fits: 1965/66 F100/250 & 1967/77 F100/350.

Ford recently obsoleted this lever, but there's about 200 available at dealers/obsolete parts vendors.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The NSS is defective. 1965/66: There are two different ones.

If an MX Cruise-O-Matic (352, some F250/350's w/the 300 I-6), the NSS is on the steering column. C5TZ7A247A .. NSS (Motorcraft SW436) / Obsolete

32 are available from dealers/obsolete parts vendors. I dunno if it can be bought from a parts store...or not.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If a C4 (1965/66 F100 I-6, most 1965/66 F250/350 I-6's), the NSS is located on the transmission: C4UZ7A247D .. NSS (Motorcraft SW585) / Also fits 1964/67 Econolines / Obsolete

20 are available from dealers/obsolete parts vendors. Again, I dunno if this can be bought from a parts store.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In addition, the steering column upper/lower bearings could be worn ([2] C3DZ3517A-available from Ford).

There is a bushing and insulator that fits into the A/T's selector lever at the bottom of the steering column under the hood. The rubber bushing could be age cracked.

When this occurs (on an A/T only), the lever has slop in it.

C5TZ7343A .. Bushing & Insulator Kit (also used w/3 speed manual & 3 speed Overdrive) / Obsolete / Fits 1965/72 A/T / 1965/79 3 M/T.

Another thing Ford just obsoleted. 100's are available from dealers/obsolete parts vendors.


Not necessarily. With a 352 = Yes // With a 240 I-6 = No // With a 300 I-6 .. Maybe yes, maybe no.

The OP's Good Humor truck is an I-6. I think it's a 240, but I'm not sure. Most 1965/66 I-6's used the C4, which has a transmission mounted NSS.
OK, so the blade that engages into the shifter gate, is not actually part of the shifter handle, but a separate component called the Transmission Control Selector Pin part #D0TZ7B097B. (?)
How is this part installed?
 
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by F250GH
OK, so the blade that engages into the shifter gate is not actually part of the shifter handle, but a separate component called the NSS Selector Lever part #D0TZ7B097B How is this part installed?
You are confusing two different things.

D0TZ7B097B is the NSS Selector Lever. It has nothing to do with the shift lever detent (shift gate) that is mounted to the bottom of the upper steering column flange.

The shift lever has a tab on it...this tab fits into the detent.

The NSS selector lever snaps onto the shift tube thru a hole in the mast jacket (steering column shroud).

Its knife blade end fits into the NSS. It sorta looks like this: )---

(sigh) I would have thought...by now...you would have the '64/72 truck parts catalog.

Illustration Section 35, page 8 shows the entire steering column in an exploded view.

The detent is shown as basic part number 7A216, the upper flange is 3511, the shift lever is 7210.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2011 | 06:46 PM
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OK, thanks for the clarification I was looking at this page...
http://www.melvinsclassicfordparts.c...ges_97-104.pdf
and saw the part D0TZ7B097B. I thought that is what I needed. But now will look for a new shifter handle.

(My parts catalog is on the PC which isn't running, I am on the Mac and they don't have the cd for Mac users yet.)
 
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