1997 F450 4X4 needing help!
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#32
Looks like an Aspunth Tree Service truck. What was the original color? Most were orange. I had an F-350 4x4 (92) that had the same box/bed set up, same side rail and brush gaurd. Mine had a PTO winch in the extended front bumper. These were used for spraying powerline right of ways. They seemed to always buy (and still do) gas manual trans trucks.
They must have decided to try some 450's , i'm betting because of the heavier axles. mine had a bad rearend when I got it. That MH conversion had to be VERY expensive. I wouldn't get to worried about the brakes. i drive a 96 450 Powerstroke 5 spd, scale 20,000 lbs from time to time and get along fine, just have to remember this is not a class 6 truck. I'm getting ready to up-grade to 19.5 wheels soon to solve the tire problem.
tim
They must have decided to try some 450's , i'm betting because of the heavier axles. mine had a bad rearend when I got it. That MH conversion had to be VERY expensive. I wouldn't get to worried about the brakes. i drive a 96 450 Powerstroke 5 spd, scale 20,000 lbs from time to time and get along fine, just have to remember this is not a class 6 truck. I'm getting ready to up-grade to 19.5 wheels soon to solve the tire problem.
tim
#33
Looks like an Aspunth Tree Service truck. What was the original color? Most were orange. I had an F-350 4x4 (92) that had the same box/bed set up, same side rail and brush gaurd. Mine had a PTO winch in the extended front bumper. These were used for spraying powerline right of ways. They seemed to always buy (and still do) gas manual trans trucks.
They must have decided to try some 450's , i'm betting because of the heavier axles. mine had a bad rearend when I got it. That MH conversion had to be VERY expensive. I wouldn't get to worried about the brakes. i drive a 96 450 Powerstroke 5 spd, scale 20,000 lbs from time to time and get along fine, just have to remember this is not a class 6 truck. I'm getting ready to up-grade to 19.5 wheels soon to solve the tire problem.
tim
They must have decided to try some 450's , i'm betting because of the heavier axles. mine had a bad rearend when I got it. That MH conversion had to be VERY expensive. I wouldn't get to worried about the brakes. i drive a 96 450 Powerstroke 5 spd, scale 20,000 lbs from time to time and get along fine, just have to remember this is not a class 6 truck. I'm getting ready to up-grade to 19.5 wheels soon to solve the tire problem.
tim
the color it is now was dun with a paint roller and looks like junk. I will strip it down and re-paint it a different color when I get the rest of the body together. the shape it's in now is great with NO RUST but it has it's dings and dents, the best part is only 42,000 miles and puers like a kitten.
I'm wondering if you knew what chemicals thay wear spraying with the truck? under the green paint there looks to be cracked and peeling clear coat.
#36
OK I've got the problem fixed with the check engine lite but still have a couple of post codes that don't give a light but still want to fix. one of them is primary gas tank is missing and the computer knows it. the rest are wiring issues that will require a diagram to trace them all out. I have ben thinking of putting super-singles on the rear with matching 22's for the front but thay don't make an adapter to go from 10 on 7-1/4 to 10 on 11-3/4 only 8 lug to 10! I would like to put 19" rims under the truck but still have the same problem with bolt pattern. At any rate the 4-wheel drive now works and the new hubs look grate, I did have a problem getting them, one store was trying to sell them to me at $120 each and had to be special ordered. I wound up going to summit racing for them, thay had them in stock for $185 a par with free shipping. had them the next day and boy do thay work. now i just need to fix the heater, for sum reason the lines are HOT but only warm air is blowing out? There seems to be no problem with air flow and the vent door is open to pull air from the cab and not out side air. my friend is trying to talk me into putting a dully box on the truck instead of the flat bed but after doing sum photo editing I think it just wont look right with the tool box in between.
I want to ad a tachometer on the truck, do any of you know where to pick off for the tack I don't see a place for it on the coyle like you would find on Chevy's.
I want to ad a tachometer on the truck, do any of you know where to pick off for the tack I don't see a place for it on the coyle like you would find on Chevy's.
#37
As for the rims, I used to own a chevy 3500HD that also had the 10 wheel lugs, (I also have a 97 F-Super Duty, PSD though) and it had 19.5 wheels, but I don't know if the bolt pattern is the same. The 225/70R-19.5's are about the same height as the 235/85R-16's are. The 19.5's are a lot more expensive, but will last a long time. I'm getting 50,000 miles out of coopers that I have on my truck. The 19.5's on the chevy could get 100,000 miles on a set of tires.
#38
I have a 1996 ford F450 4X4.As you probably know Ford did not make these with four wheel drive.They were converted to four wheel drive by 3 company's that I know of-Quigley-Marmon-and SVO.My '96 F450 4X4 and all the converted F450's I have seen have the DANA 60 front moonbeam drive axle-AND although the hub and rotor are different than the F350 ( Ten Lug Bolts Instead of 8)-the locking hub body and cap are the same as my '97 F350 4X4.Although there are many different manufacturers that make locking hubs that will fit both my '96 F450 4X4 and my '97 F350 (Yes Same Locking Hub fits Both). I will give you the Ford part no's for the locking hub body,and the outer chrome dial assembly.The hub body is an F5TZ-1K105-CA The dial is an F5TZ-1K104-AA .These part no's are for one each-not a pair.The hub body has 6 small threa
ded holes for the dial mounting screws - and the dial I gave you part no for has 3 mounting screws which just uses 3 of the 6 mounting holes in the hub body-that is all the dial needs! This dial comes with the large mounting O-ring-and the 3 mounting screws it needs and these are really nice because they have a recess in the screw shoulder and a O-ring in the recess to seal out water etc.-many of the aftermarket locking hubs do not have this on the dial mounting screws -and I've seen where water-moisture got under the dial mounting screws and got into the wheel hub and rusted the insides of the hub.I would like to know if yours is a Quigley conversion-or another company converted it to 4X4.These companys used most all Ford parts in converting them to 4X4-but the steering drag link is different-because it has to be longer due to the truck being taller -the axle being farther from the steering gear on the frame-as they sit higher off the ground. I have many many sources that have these and other Ford parts that have gone or are going obsolete at the Ford dealers.Rich.
ded holes for the dial mounting screws - and the dial I gave you part no for has 3 mounting screws which just uses 3 of the 6 mounting holes in the hub body-that is all the dial needs! This dial comes with the large mounting O-ring-and the 3 mounting screws it needs and these are really nice because they have a recess in the screw shoulder and a O-ring in the recess to seal out water etc.-many of the aftermarket locking hubs do not have this on the dial mounting screws -and I've seen where water-moisture got under the dial mounting screws and got into the wheel hub and rusted the insides of the hub.I would like to know if yours is a Quigley conversion-or another company converted it to 4X4.These companys used most all Ford parts in converting them to 4X4-but the steering drag link is different-because it has to be longer due to the truck being taller -the axle being farther from the steering gear on the frame-as they sit higher off the ground. I have many many sources that have these and other Ford parts that have gone or are going obsolete at the Ford dealers.Rich.
#40
I'm a new member to this group forum.
I'm very excited about just buying a 1997 F-SuperDuty 7.3L that was modified by Marmon-Herrington with the install done by Fontaine Mod Center in Kentucky. The truck was owned by my city's fire department so it is pristine, however it is missing the transmission and transfer case. The good thing is MH's sticker is in perfectly readable shape and does reference the MBW4470 for the transfer case but all I can find online about the transmission is that its an E4OD/4R100. I did speak w MH today and they sent me an email. I'm hoping to get the original specs from them so I can get this truck back into its original form. Btw- the front axle says its an MC80 w 5.13 ratio.
If any of you can help or want to chat about this truck or want me to post pics of it I would be more than happy to.
I'm very excited about just buying a 1997 F-SuperDuty 7.3L that was modified by Marmon-Herrington with the install done by Fontaine Mod Center in Kentucky. The truck was owned by my city's fire department so it is pristine, however it is missing the transmission and transfer case. The good thing is MH's sticker is in perfectly readable shape and does reference the MBW4470 for the transfer case but all I can find online about the transmission is that its an E4OD/4R100. I did speak w MH today and they sent me an email. I'm hoping to get the original specs from them so I can get this truck back into its original form. Btw- the front axle says its an MC80 w 5.13 ratio.
If any of you can help or want to chat about this truck or want me to post pics of it I would be more than happy to.
#41
97 F450 4x4 Marmon-Herrington Mod
Looks like we have the same truck. It would be great if you could forward me that "8 pages of reference numbers, and good reference material".
I am now the proud owner of a 1997 FSuper Duty 7.3L w 130k miles on it.
The VIN # is:
1FDLF47F3VEB53524.
It was originally purchased and owned by the City of San Jose Fire Department up until two weeks ago.
It was modified new to a 4x4 by Marmon-Herrington in Kentucky with the install done by Fontaine Mod Center in Kentucky. I want to use the parts with original as built specs.
The GOOD: the truck is pristine.
The BAD: It's missing the transmission, Transfer case, and shafts.
I am looking to buy a transmission and transfer case. I can source the shafts here locally in California.
The information I received from Marmon-Herrington is below:
"The transmission and torque converter are original equipment. We supplied an adapter and a shaft to join the transmission and transfer case (which are no longer made). The rear driveline is original equipment, but was shortened and the front shaft is a 1330 series Spicer with double joints on each end (also not available, but Weller Truck out of Grand Rapids might have one). Unfortunately, we have not carried this model transfer case since 2007, but you should be able to go through a GM dealer with the model MBW4470 (Borg Warner).If this truck is missing the transmission you are more than likely missing a couple key component to mount the transfer case to the transmission. The other issue is the original parking brake supplied with the truck is adapted to the tail end of the transmission."
Is What I am looking for is an E4OD transmission (or the 4R100??). Also need the MBW4470 but I keep getting questions on why the BW4470 since this is for a Ford application.
Should i go with the BW4470 or does someone have a better solution for me?
#42
Here is mine it is a 1995 with a 5 speed.Marmon used a gm style 4470.They made adapters, shafts and cross members for the t case.They also relocated the e brake to the rear of the t case.A transmission and t case from a f350 with a powerstroke should work but will not have the e brake.From time to tome i run across a parts truck and i will check my notes to see if i have found one that has the automatic transmission and t case still in it.
#43
White Trash- Thanks for the info! I think I'm all set up now.. I took the advice on earlier threads and I'm about ready to install!
Here is mine it is a 1995 with a 5 speed.Marmon used a gm style 4470.They made adapters, shafts and cross members for the t case.They also relocated the e brake to the rear of the t case.A transmission and t case from a f350 with a powerstroke should work but will not have the e brake.From time to tome i run across a parts truck and i will check my notes to see if i have found one that has the automatic transmission and t case still in it.
Here is mine it is a 1995 with a 5 speed.Marmon used a gm style 4470.They made adapters, shafts and cross members for the t case.They also relocated the e brake to the rear of the t case.A transmission and t case from a f350 with a powerstroke should work but will not have the e brake.From time to tome i run across a parts truck and i will check my notes to see if i have found one that has the automatic transmission and t case still in it.
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