Adjustable caster/camber kits
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Adjustable caster/camber kits
Ok guys-I'm gonna be doing ball joints soon on both the 2WD F250 and the 4WD Excursion. I've seen talk about adjustable caster/camber kits for these and wanted to install them while I'm in there to save labor costs on the alignment.
What's everybody using? I've seen Mevotech and Moog kits, but can't seem to sort out what part numbers for what applications-my Google-foo is not working well today.
JL
What's everybody using? I've seen Mevotech and Moog kits, but can't seem to sort out what part numbers for what applications-my Google-foo is not working well today.
JL
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Johnny, I just put a set on my 2-wheel F250. Got 'em from NAPA Autoparts.
They're dual adjustable camber-caster bushing. I can get the part number for you when I get home later tonight.
Stewart
They're dual adjustable camber-caster bushing. I can get the part number for you when I get home later tonight.
Stewart
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Yes there is Forest... 
I went with the Moog shims and have been happy with them. I would assume that any camber/caster shim would be adequate as they as non wearing parts. They just position your knuckle in a more optimum position for alignment issues.
I went with the Moog shims and have been happy with them. I would assume that any camber/caster shim would be adequate as they as non wearing parts. They just position your knuckle in a more optimum position for alignment issues.
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Here are the ones I purchased: Store Locator | NAPA Online
NAPA part #264-3950
Johnny, are you adding 2" spacers to the front of your truck? Or are you just wanting more adjustability for alignment purposes?
Stewart
NAPA part #264-3950
Johnny, are you adding 2" spacers to the front of your truck? Or are you just wanting more adjustability for alignment purposes?
Stewart
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Here are the ones I purchased: Store Locator | NAPA Online
NAPA part #264-3950
Johnny, are you adding 2" spacers to the front of your truck? Or are you just wanting more adjustability for alignment purposes?
Stewart
NAPA part #264-3950
Johnny, are you adding 2" spacers to the front of your truck? Or are you just wanting more adjustability for alignment purposes?
Stewart
I'm picky about the way my vehicles drive and I'm a tire wear ****.
Besides, the Excursion drives like crap right now wandering all over the road. It needs shocks and at least one balljoint, so it's gonna get the whole kit at the same time.
JL
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I was asking about the spacers because I was gonna let you know if you were adding them, you would probably have to grind the knuckle.
Besides, the Excursion drives like crap right now wandering all over the road. It needs shocks and at least one balljoint, so it's gonna get the whole kit at the same time.
JL
JL
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/789595-attn-dup-steering-wander-search-results-for-you.html regarding almost everything you can think of regarding the dreaded Excursion wander, but just in case you hadn't run across it yet, here ya go.
Stewart
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I'm sure you probably already know about this thread
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/789595-attn-dup-steering-wander-search-results-for-you.html regarding almost everything you can think of regarding the dreaded Excursion wander, but just in case you hadn't run across it yet, here ya go.
Stewart
I'll be getting an RAS later after the balljoint/Bilstein install. Also might get a Hellwig for it. It all depends on how it drives after I get the rest done.
JL
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They were the ones labeled, "Full Of Great Info!"
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Thanks for correcting me on caster/camber kit for 4x4. I just assumed it was not available.
Understand how shims can adjust caster; but don't see how camber is adjusted(?). .
Besides--how many SuperDuties require shims to correct? Is there an off-spec alignment target that will minimize wander problems?
Understand how shims can adjust caster; but don't see how camber is adjusted(?). .
Besides--how many SuperDuties require shims to correct? Is there an off-spec alignment target that will minimize wander problems?
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Nothing needed
I'm sure you can get all that stuff but you shouldn't need anything if it is stock height and all the parts are in good shape. I put new BJs in mine and it all came into place. No tire wear, wander, etc.
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The issue is more correcting the factory caster angle that Ford deemed adequate for the Ex. The range of acceptable degrees of caster is huge, from 0.5 degree to 5.5 degrees. Mine was sitting at 1.5 which made highway driving a constant exercise of correcting the steering wheel. After the shims were installed, it brought my caster angle to 3.5-4.0.
For those that happened to get a truck with a higher degree of caster from the factory, then you won't understand the importance of this mod. For those of us that have needed and done the shim fix, the difference is night and day.
For those that happened to get a truck with a higher degree of caster from the factory, then you won't understand the importance of this mod. For those of us that have needed and done the shim fix, the difference is night and day.
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The issue is more correcting the factory caster angle that Ford deemed adequate for the Ex. The range of acceptable degrees of caster is huge, from 0.5 degree to 5.5 degrees. Mine was sitting at 1.5 which made highway driving a constant exercise of correcting the steering wheel. After the shims were installed, it brought my caster angle to 3.5-4.0.
For those that happened to get a truck with a higher degree of caster from the factory, then you won't understand the importance of this mod. For those of us that have needed and done the shim fix, the difference is night and day.
For those that happened to get a truck with a higher degree of caster from the factory, then you won't understand the importance of this mod. For those of us that have needed and done the shim fix, the difference is night and day.
JL
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The issue is more correcting the factory caster angle that Ford deemed adequate for the Ex. The range of acceptable degrees of caster is huge, from 0.5 degree to 5.5 degrees. Mine was sitting at 1.5 which made highway driving a constant exercise of correcting the steering wheel. After the shims were installed, it brought my caster angle to 3.5-4.0.
For those that happened to get a truck with a higher degree of caster from the factory, then you won't understand the importance of this mod. For those of us that have needed and done the shim fix, the difference is night and day.
For those that happened to get a truck with a higher degree of caster from the factory, then you won't understand the importance of this mod. For those of us that have needed and done the shim fix, the difference is night and day.
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When I'm done with all of my parts replacements-shocks, ball joints, etc, and go in for an alignment that's gonna cost me $50-$90-I'm not gonna have the hassle and expense the labor charge involved in changing the OEM bushings to meet the alignment specs that I want for the vehicle to track straight. With the adjustable pieces ALREADY installed, I avoid labor charges for work I could have done myself when I had it apart. This saves time. Time is money, and labor is expensive-even moreso when you could have changed the parts yourself when you had it apart.
JL
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