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From: Faibanks Ak.
My wife has a 99 f150 but instead of hanging around that forum, I'm thinking it should turn into an idi when the time comes. I think it will be a sweet car with a 6.9 in it. lol
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From: Salem, VA
The EEC IV system is fairly simple.
Check this out
Ford Fuel Injection & Electronic Engine Control 1988-1993
There is also a 'probst' book for the 80-87 EFI stuff.
EEC V (94+) is where it started getting complicated.
Check this out
Ford Fuel Injection & Electronic Engine Control 1988-1993
There is also a 'probst' book for the 80-87 EFI stuff.
EEC V (94+) is where it started getting complicated.
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From: Texas
My bud and I popped the hood on a brand new F150 and took one look at those electronics and just stood there with our mouths open. No way will that crap ever hold up. No way will us shade tree guys be able to keep them running. Hafta take it to a dealer every time it need something. No way can I afford one nor would I ever be caught in one. The year was 1987 and it was the first EFI I had ever seen. Most of us guys have been saying these same things for 20 to 30 years now. Look at it like this... in 20 years.... The 2010's will be simple.
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From: Faibanks Ak.
I can remember the first time I had brake troubleon a my first car with disc brakes. A 69 GTO and the caliper started sticking and locking the wheel up, I thought who designed it.
My 74 ford was the first rig without points and I was always afraid it would quit, but it never did. I had lots of expensive diagnostic equipment that snap on guaranteed me would not become obsolete quess where it is now. Yhe simple efi sometimes takes 2days to diagnose a problem it takes ten minutes to fix.
My 74 ford was the first rig without points and I was always afraid it would quit, but it never did. I had lots of expensive diagnostic equipment that snap on guaranteed me would not become obsolete quess where it is now. Yhe simple efi sometimes takes 2days to diagnose a problem it takes ten minutes to fix.
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Thats what I'm talking about and they only have to build or make parts for ten years.
Am I crazy to think that there will be lots of more or less sensitive parts that will become unavailable after ten years. On my 86 the only sorta sensitive parts that it has to have is the glow plug controller and the fsv, either can be changed to manual or even done without as far as that goes.
Am I crazy to think that there will be lots of more or less sensitive parts that will become unavailable after ten years. On my 86 the only sorta sensitive parts that it has to have is the glow plug controller and the fsv, either can be changed to manual or even done without as far as that goes.
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From: Bald Knob AR
The EEC IV system is fairly simple.
Check this out
Ford Fuel Injection & Electronic Engine Control 1988-1993
There is also a 'probst' book for the 80-87 EFI stuff.
EEC V (94+) is where it started getting complicated.
Check this out
Ford Fuel Injection & Electronic Engine Control 1988-1993
There is also a 'probst' book for the 80-87 EFI stuff.
EEC V (94+) is where it started getting complicated.
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From: Bald Knob AR
I can remember the first time I had brake troubleon a my first car with disc brakes. A 69 GTO and the caliper started sticking and locking the wheel up, I thought who designed it.
My 74 ford was the first rig without points and I was always afraid it would quit, but it never did. I had lots of expensive diagnostic equipment that snap on guaranteed me would not become obsolete quess where it is now. Yhe simple efi sometimes takes 2days to diagnose a problem it takes ten minutes to fix.
My 74 ford was the first rig without points and I was always afraid it would quit, but it never did. I had lots of expensive diagnostic equipment that snap on guaranteed me would not become obsolete quess where it is now. Yhe simple efi sometimes takes 2days to diagnose a problem it takes ten minutes to fix.
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From: Faibanks Ak.
I'm sure a lot will but back years ago I had a 74 grand marquiss that needed the turn signal harness this was somewhere around 87. Now I could buy everything for that car except that. So by 2020 how many small parts electronic parts will be on a rig that will keep it from being servicable, with that in mind by 2035 say you have replsced 20 or 30 aftermarket parts and sensors and spent 5 grand to have it done then one little part that rarely goes out and noone makes it. you now have a lawn ornament. What I expect to happen even more is that most will be taking them to the dealer to get repairs and if the tech can't get it running you will be told the parts are no longer available. I maybe crazy but if I can't repair it I am real skeptical about what will happen.
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The biggest problems - Connectors and getting hold of economical testing equipment - including manuals to tell you what reading the test equipment is to give. I am a computer guy and a gadget geek. I love it, but there need to be limits. What would make it simple is standardization of components across brands...but that would take all the fun out of it.
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From: Faibanks Ak.
A couple years ago on barrett jacksons auction, I watched a 69 goat convertible exactly like the one I had same options, even color sell for 1.2 million. I wanted to cry. I left that car in nm when I moved to texas and 16 years later when I moved back to nm (different location) a county deputy came visited me to tell me the sheriff wanted me to come get that car. It had been reported stolen 4 times in the last year, and he kept telling the people they couldn't report it stolen as long as it was in my name. When I left that car it had 57 thousand original miles but was on the fourth motor. lol
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From: Malahat/Cowichan Valley
i cant believe how complicated **** is in the new diesels. My bros diesel is the newer 6.3 and when his rear main blew at 33k they took the cab off to get at it??!!??!! I couldnt believe that is how they designed it. I think personally that they auto makers are thinking this **** up because they dont want us tinkerin under the hood. I dont pay **** for labor anymore. The only think i am not sure about is the rear end and rolling torque but then again, i didnt think i would be able to rebuild a transfer case, rewire 186 feet of wiring, learn to weld, etc etc etc. These things teach us about self reliance and the auto makers dont want that. They want us to take them in so we can get *** raped in labor charges. Eff that silent bob, i am not interested.
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From: Bald Knob AR
Same here. PLus I can't for the life of me imagine me ever owning a 60 thousand dollar vehicle of any kind... unless it's 20 years old and rusty and I picked it up for 600 dollars. LOL